FEP12 Emergency Essences for Crisis

The recent wildfires here in California resulted in stress, dislocation, and crisis for residents and their pets. Flower Essence formulas can be vital support for us as we experience evacuations, uncertainty, and the post traumatic stress of environmental disasters.

Flower Essences discussed during the show:

Other References:

Polyvagal Theory

Herbal Medicine

Emergency Preparedness

Show Transcript

Kathleen Aspenns [00:00:43] Thanks for joining us today on the Flower Essence Podcast. Rochana and I are going to be talking about crisis formulas. This last month has been really challenging for us. We both live in Sonoma County, California, and we’ve had some really severe fires that have caused a lot of stress, anxiety and grief. My home came very close to the fire. I live in Alexander Valley and the fire went about 20 feet around my house. Thank goodness for Cal Fire and the great work they did, and all the other first responders who took good care of us and our property. And we’re very grateful. I know all of us in Sonoma County are feeling very grateful. And Rochana and I were talking about the need for flower essences to help support each other and our community and our pets to help come back after, or to feel supported during a crisis. And there’s some great combination formulas that are incredibly helpful so that you can feel more like yourself. I know that when I was evacuated, it was quite a few days before I knew I still had my home. And that was just really unmooring and extremely stressful for me and for my husband and for all the animals. It’s a hard thing to be evacuated and not to know what’s going on. So the flower essences were incredibly helpful to keep us stable, working together, playing as a team and to help keep our emotions stable as we endured what had to be endured. So today we’ll be talking about the different crisis formulas, what they can be used for and our experiences with them. So welcome, Ro. It’s always nice to be here with you as always. 

Rochana Felde [00:02:32] Always a highlight to do this work with you, Kathleen. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:02:36] Yes, absolutely. I think we should just start with the classic with Five Flower Formula, a.k.a. Rescue Remedy. It is always good to have a crisis formula in your bag, in your glove box, in your go bag. It’s a really useful thing to have to be getting ready to evacuate. Those of us in California have gotten used to having an earthquake kit around and having a good emergency formula in your emergency pack is a good way to go. Do you have that setup? 

Rochana Felde [00:03:11] Yeah, I keep Five Flower in my car, so that’s usually available. And I definitely would have it in a go bag, and I didn’t in the beginning this time. So that’s a lesson learned. I think what was really interesting and challenging about this evacuation that most of us in Sonoma County went through during the Kincade fire was, you know, there’s a couple different levels of go bags. There’s not just one. There’s the bag that you grab if you have like 60 seconds to get out of your house because of fires coming and, you know, that’s probably what everybody thinks about when they think of having a go bag. However, then there’s different levels of evacuation that happen when there’s a fire looming, but not right at your place. So there’s the evacuation warning and there’s a mandatory evacuation. And this can happen really quickly or it can happen over the course of a week while the fire is in that area. So it’s challenging to both be living day to day while you’re under the threat of evacuation. It’s kind of like if you think about you want to pack for a trip and then you’re living out of packing for the trip while you’re waiting for the trip to happen. And it may never happen. So there’s a few different levels of preparation that one can do, and hopefully it doesn’t last too long when you are actually evacuated. Then there’s what you want to have with you while you’re in another place, whether it’s at a friend’s house or a family member’s house or potentially an evacuation center. So there’s not a lot that you can bring with you in any of those situations. And having that Five fFlower formula is perfect. As you know, it’s the perfect formula for helping you deal with crisis stress, whatever that phase is that you’re in. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:05:35] I think what you’re saying, it really makes a lot of sense. And there are some good resources available of different lists and different things to think about. If you’ve never experienced an evacuation or a crisis, you’ll have a really hard time thinking clearly when you get that alert that it’s time to go. That was one of the things that I was really noticing on the social feeds of people who hadn’t experienced an evacuation two years ago. They didn’t really know. They kind of freak out and run around in circles a little bit if you’ve never been through something like that. And I think that the biggest thing is to be as prepared as you can with knowing what you need to pack before there’s a crisis or knowing where those items are. And then to recognize that you’re going to need that emotional support, that anxiety and stress support during the crisis itself. So I think that the biggest takeaway for me is to keep these formulas handy and keep them available or at least know where you can go get them to help support yourself during the crisis. 

Rochana Felde [00:06:44] Yeah. And what I found that was really interesting, too, for this area, is that even for those who had been through it two years ago when we had the Tubbs fire there. Now the new Kincade fire was sparking some immediate PTSD about it. So there‚Äôs another level of what we’re unfortunately calling the “new normal” around here in that we get the whole county on this PTSD kick, where all these threats push people into a state of anxiety. And what I’ve been reading about a lot lately is the polyvagal theory. I don’t know if you are familiar with that, Kathleen, but it’s really fascinating the way the vagus nerve helps to regulate the autonomic nervous system. And so we have this concept that everybody’s heard of, flight or fight response and also then the calm and and rest and relaxation response. But what the polyvagal theory posits is that there are actually three layers, three levels. So in addition to those two, there is also a freeze response and that I found I was experiencing before the evacuation in the couple days leading up to it and trying to pack my go bags and get ready for the evacuation. I just couldn’t seem to basically get my stuff together. And it it was kind of shocking to me because I’m usually one that can prep pretty well. And so I firsthand experienced that feeling of just kind of being paralyzed. My body, didn’t want to move and do the things that I needed to do. So since I was still home and there was no immediate threat, I created a formula that included the Five Flower and some other essences as well to help get me past that bump. And I’m so glad that I did, because as it turns out, we were evacuated two days later and I wasn’t able to go back home and get all the things that I had planned on having because I was not home when the evacuation call happened. And I did have that special formula that I made which carried me through the whole evacuation time. So that was lucky. But the core of that was really the Five Flower. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:09:46] And I’m curious, it’s interesting to think about the components within the Five Flower formula that Dr. Bach created. And I have to apologize to listeners who are picking up on wild noises outside because I’m in the burn zone. There’s a lot of trees that are needing to come down in my area. So there’s a team working on my hillside right behind the house right now who are taking down some burned trees and clearing things. So that’s where I live. That’s what’s happening around me. And so there’s a little bit more noise than usual. So apologies to everyone, but maybe it’s creating a sense of cinematic reality. The surround sound of chainsaws. But there it is. We’re talking about that Five Flower component. And I I really get that freeze thing and also the post-traumatic stress. I have been talking to so many people who, whether they were directly or indirectly impacted by the fires two years ago, now it’s all really coming up again. And being able to work with that and help to address it with flower essences is really important to help it move and process through your body so you’re not perpetually in a fear state and your body can get back to the relaxed and restorative state that you’re talking about in those three phases. I’ve been finding for myself, I’ve been taking the Post Trauma Stabilizer from the Flower Essence Society, one of their Flourish formulas, constantly since I returned from evacuation. I didn’t have it with me during the time, but it’s been I’ve been really powering through that formula because I was really stressed, I was really anxious and not sleeping well. And it’s really helped me bring myself back. I think one thing to remember is that when you’re taking flower essences, it’s not a magic wand. You have to keep working with it. You have to keep taking the essence and taking it multiple times a day to help to soothe your nervous system and help you get back to yourself. It’s something you just have to continue using along the way, rather than taking a pill and having the problem go away. They don’t make everything go away instantly, but they help you process it, rather than storing it in your body so that it never moves and would be as big a trigger in the future as it is now.

Rochana Felde [00:12:18] Yeah, I agree with what you’re saying. When we’re not able to process the trauma that’s happening to us, it stores in our body. And so flower essences are are a way to help move through it. It’s not going to make it go away.. It’s not magic. It’s not going to be like taking a pharmaceutical that will just zonk you. I think one of the brilliant parts about flower essences is they help you be just become more aware of yourself and and what you’re going through. And that’s that’s a big part of it, too, because so often in these situations being evacuated,  not being able to be at home, staying at friends or families. You know, it’s tough. And then to top it off, you know, when you don’t know if your house is going to be there when you get back. I mean, that’s probably one of the biggest stresses you can have in life. And, you know, it’s easy to be get snappy and irritable with the people around you. And the flower essences help a lot with that as well, with how we’re acting out during this time of high stress. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:13:49] And I like what you’re saying about helping everyone to get along together better, because that is a really big component to any sort of situation where you’re not in your comfortable place. You know, the animals, we’re all having to be in places that we aren’t used to. All in each other’s grill all the time, you know, are my birds had to be in little cages. And, you know, everybody was really tolerant during that time. So I was very grateful that that nobody tried to kill each other during that period. But it was very stressful. And essences are very helpful or even just “nature time” is really helpful. Whenever you can help ground yourself into the reality. I was taking a lot of “mental health walks”. So just putting my one foot in front of the other, just casually walking along was really helpful to ground myself. I tried to do it every hour or so to try to take a little breath, try to find my feet and be able to move through. And that helps to move trauma out of your body as well. 

Rochana Felde [00:14:52] I’m so glad you brought that up because that is that what what I think really helped me out, too. I on day two of the evacuation. We were in Rohnert Park, which in Sonoma County. It’s a very suburban area. It’s not a rural area, but there are a lot of walking paths. And there’s a lot of sidewalks. And so I just got out of the condo and walked with my dog to get her exercise. So she wasn’t freaking out all the time either. But, you know, you can connect with nature no matter where you are. And I know that on this podcast, I talk about living in a forest and being surrounded by trees. And, you know, you don’t have to be in this highly suburban environment. I had an amazing just little connection with liquidambar tree that was dropping all of its lovely spiky buds or, you know, seed pods, whatever they are, the spiky things that come off of the liquidambar, also known as a sweet gum tree. And I’ve made an essence with that tree before. And I found that it was one that really offered a lot of loving maternal protection. And so I was really happy and grateful to this tree on the side of the sidewalk. You know, I just went up and hugged it and had a little moment and then I walked a little further and, you know, walking through some of the trail type areas behind the big tracts of condos in this kind of condo land that I that a lot of that town is, you know, there was a eucalyptus tree and there was a redwood tree in there. You know, they these are all my friends, these trees. And I picked up a little leaves from some of them and put them in my pocket. And that kept me so grounded throughout this sort of traumatic, really tough experience. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:17:05] Yeah. Thank you for sharing that, that I found that that incredibly helpful, too, and even if you aren’t around trees, you can mostly always see sky and being able to even see sky and breathe, you know, clean, clean-ish air. I don’t know… It wasn’t very clean, but.. You’re still outside and you’re breathing and letting your eyes rest in as much nature as you can manage. It really helps your brain to start relaxing as well. One of the practices I’m really engaging in is helping the animals  feeling calmer and more in themselves after all of that disruption and disarray and being away from home for a week. Using Animal Care is one of my favorites, for helping the animals recover from any kind of crisis. Animal Care is a combination formula that the Alaskan essences make. And I find it very helpful as a great starting point for any animal in a crisis situation, and certainly for animals that are in any kind of a rescue situation, they’re having an evacuation from their normal life. And to give them the Animal Care essence is very helpful. Do you use that one, or do you use the one from FES? FES makes a really nice animal formula too. 

Rochana Felde [00:18:24] Yeah. Not lately since I’ve just been making my own, but I’ve used the Five Flower a lot with my with my dog. And during that evacuation I did as well. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:18:38] Yeah, there’s a lot of good options. And having having Five Flower on hand is always a good starting point. And if you have something more specific, then great. But it’s all good. And I think that one of the things that makes sense is to just chat about the different options available in Five Flower. You can get Five Flower in a glycerin base. So if you’re working with children or with animals where you are concerned that they don’t have the alcohol in the formula. That’s an option and it’s available. One of my favorite packages is to get the Five Flower with the brandy base, but in a spray cap, which makes it really easy to offer. That way you don’t have to worry about dropping a dropper and making a mess or, you know, when you’re in a crisis, just being elde to pull it out of your purse and mist under your tongue or mist your hands and pet your animals. You can get the top of their head, a little bit of essences on your hand and pet down their top line from their ears to their tail. And that will help to bring them into their bodies and help them to relax, as well as petting an animal is always inherently relaxing for both of you. 

Rochana Felde [00:19:51] It’s very healing for both you and the animal. And yeah, that’s exactly how I use the Five Flower with a spray and then putting it on my hand and petting..it’s a  nice little way to do it. And, you know, when we were talking before. During that first day of evacuation, I know you and I were both in actually a flower essence class in Marin County with Desert Alchemy, and unfortunately we both had to leave early. You left earlier than sooner than I did as you were being evacuated, much sooner than I was evacuated, being closer to the fire. And I know that we were talking about how we got through that day, the traffic and getting back to  our people and then getting out and getting a safe place. And you had said something that made me think about a saying in photography. There’s a phrase that the best camera is the one that you have with you. And I thought, well, you know what? The best flower essence is the one that you have with you. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:21:08] Exactly. Yeah, I was really grateful because I didn’t have anything in my purse. And you had handed me a formula when we met and said that you were making this one for the for the crisis, you know, the ongoing crisis, which at the time we didn’t know was gonna become a red alert crisis, but we knew it was going on. And so I had it in my bag. And, you know, I got the Nixle alert, the emergency alert that it was a mandatory evacuation in my neighborhood and I had to race home. And I’m telling you, I was shaking the whole way because there’s nothing like getting that kind of mandatory evacuation alert that, you know, the fire is bearing down on you and you have got to get out. It was so scary. And, you know, even if you understand that you have enough time, it doesn’t feel that way internally and you’re getting a lot of adrenaline pulsing through. But by the time I got home.. I kept using that formula on my drive and by the time I got there, I was more focused and more able to get the job done and to get everybody together. So I really appreciate that you had that for me. It really came in handy. What did you put in that? I’d like to hear you talk about what you put in that formula. 

Rochana Felde [00:22:22] You’re so welcome. I know, it was just sort of a miracle that I happened to think about making it, and making extras for people when I made it, and then handed you one. And the time we didn’t know we were getting evacuated. And then boom, there you have it. But I put Five Flower in it as as sort of the base, I put Fireweed Combo in it. And that was more to sort of prepare for whatever changes were happening. I put Mimulus in it. I mean, Mimulus is classic for fear of known things. And we knew it was coming. Red Chestnut for not spinning out with worry about others. Let’s see, what else did I use? I used White Chestnut. Olive. I thought because I was feeling so fatigued from it all before it even started. And I just needed that feeling of stamina and strength from the Olive in it. You know, I didn’t want to succumb to exhaustion when I needed to not be exhausted. I used some Stone Circle by Alaskan Essences, which is one that you turned me onto a while back. And I really love it for that feeling of being grounded and encircled. I added some Black tourmaline, and that was more in response to what was happening with the smoke in the skies, and wanting to have a way to sort of filter and constantly detox. And that was my thinking behind the Black Tourmaline, because the first night of the day when the fire first started, you know, I woke up with ashes all around my house and I’m 16 miles away, not nearly as close as you were. But the air quality was off and on terrible throughout that time. So I had been kind of worried about my lungs and I wanted something to help keep me feeling like I was detoxing. And also from the media, because the media gets on it immediately and then we’re all in a fear state. We’re all thinking it’s going to be the next Paradise (fire). And, you know, it’s horrible when when you have both a real emergency, and then the implied emergency that the media throws on you. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:25:01] And just for our non-local listeners, she’s referring to the Paradise fire that happened last year in California that blew smoke over our area all of a sudden from this enormous fire. And that one was really a dreadful firestorm, there was loss of life and a great deal of loss of homes. So that’s what she means by Paradise. If you don’t have the context, it could be a little confusing. 

Rochana Felde [00:25:28] We just know all the shorthand names of the fires now, it is kind of sad. And then finally, I think I added a little Blue Lotus from Flora Corona just for that feeling of peace and calming and being able to breathe. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:25:43] Bringing up the toxicity issue, because that is really.. It’s a thing whenever you’re surrounded by the smoke. I like to use the Yarrow Environmental Solution myself to help reduce that kind of toxicity. And it is more of an energetic toxicity than it is  like a liver detox. So it is working to help keep what should not be within your field out of your field. And I really like the Yarrow Environmental Solution for helping you keep a really strong field and boundary anytime that you’re in an evacuation situation. You’re going to be spending a lot of time in crowded situations with stressed people and animals. And so your immune system really needs as much of a boost as possible. Even if you were alone, you’d be stressed and your immune system would be a little depleted. But to have that little addition to help keep your field really intact and strong, I think is valuable. 

Rochana Felde [00:26:47] Yeah. And I love the YES formula for that as well. I also, you know, supported myself with herbs throughout this process. So not just flower essences, but you bring in all the tools that you can. And I’ll just mention that there’s an excellent herbal extract formula by the company Wish Garden called Emotional Ally. And I just absolutely love it for all sorts of stressful and emotional situations. And in that formula is skullcap, milky oats, St. John’s Wort, spikenard and passionflower. And that really helps the nervous system throughout any kind of stress. And then I also took a lot of milk thistle and dandelion to physically keep my liver doing its job to process any toxins from the inhalation of any smoke. If you’re not familiar with herbs, that formula Emotional Ally is a nice, easy one to get off the shelf. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:27:57] Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. There are lots of good additional supports that you can offer yourself. I just like to talk about some of the other crisis formulas that I think are really valuable to know. There are certain ones I use and recommend in my practice. AThey all have different qualities and different pluses and different areas of expertise. The Alaskan Essences makes an amazing one called Soul Support. I really think of this one as creating this incredible structure of nature when your life is really overwhelming and chaotic. So it would certainly be appropriate in a crisis situation such as this. I like the Crisis formula from Desert Alchemy. I think of that particularly when the crisis is an emotional one. I think of the monsoons that happen in the desert. Whenever you’re just feeling flooded in the emotion, flooded in the overwhelm. I tend to think of that one more for emotional crisis, although it has a broad range, it’s just that’s when I think of it the most. For holding your your mind present, and in your body, while you’re dealing with that emotional crisis, helping you allow the emotions to flow and continue to flow while keeping your head. And then I also use and recommend Terra a lot from the Bloesem Remedies. That’s an amazing line from the Netherlands. And Terra I think of it as a spiritual rescue remedy. So if you feel like you’ve been abandoned by the universe, whatever word you want to use, if you feel like your your soul, your spirit is is in danger, you feel really overwhelmed by things and you’re perhaps a really sensitive person. I love Terra for this type of scenario when somebody is going through sort of a spiritual crisis.  

Rochana Felde [00:30:08] That’s great. I forgot about the Terra formula and I love Soul Support. Though I haven’t used the one by Desert Alchemy. What did you call that? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:30:19] I believe she just calls it the Crisis formula. And then if I’m working with somebody who’s dealing with a particular kind of crisis.. There is sort of the big umbrella crisis. And then there’s the smaller factor of where this crisis is coming from. But when I was working two years ago at a number of community support events after the big fires, where a lot of people lost their homes and we were offering essences to people that the Flower Essence Society had donated to the people in need. Which was amazing. And I was thrilled to be a part of those pop up events. We were offering a lot of their formulas, like Grief Relief  for when somebody has lost their home or their livelihood, and they’re devastated. Grief Relief is often extremely appropriate and helpful to layer in. You can use multiple formulas at once. Probably not five at once, but, you know, two different formulas at once. When you’re feeling maybe more overwhelmed or when the grief is coming forward, you’d be reaching for the Grief Relief formula. And when you’re dealing with the anxiety crisis, when you can’t sleep and you’re feeling the adrenaline just racing through your system, I’m thinking of Fear Less, which is another one of the Flourish formulas that is incredibly helpful for that adrenal spike. You know, for me, it’s when I smell smoke. Now, all of a sudden, everything in you goes into overdrive, or you hear maybe a siren, or a helicopter, or whatever. You can help bring yourself back into yourself when it’s not a real crisis. You can bring yourself back to breathing and thinking and being in your body by using that Fear Less formula. 

Rochana Felde [00:32:13] I agree. Fear Less would have been perfect for the time I was talking about pre evacuation. And so if I had that, I would have used it for sure. And then post evacuation now, we’re in that post traumatic phase. I guess you could call it post crisis phase where there’s it doesn’t feel totally over because there’s been spot fires for weeks. And until today, the day that we’re recording this, we haven’t had rain. So thank goodness for the rain. But the Post Trauma Stabilizer you mentioned earlier – I just wanted to piggyback on that because I’ve been using it nonstop and I feel like it’s been just absolutely perfect for this scenario. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:33:06] I completely agree. I think it’s so incredibly useful to help retrain your nervous system and to release the trauma that could otherwise get really stuck in your system. So, yeah, it’s all Post Trauma Stabilizer, all the time here at the house. And I loved what you were saying earlier about Olive. I see it as being an adrenal support and adrenal stabilizer, because if you look at the olive tree and where they grow, they are grown in very hot, dry climates and they produce this oily, nutritious fruit out of what seems like, you know, dirt, and dryness and nothing. And yet they can produce tons of really nourishing fruit. So the flower essence of Olive, I see it as being one of those deep, nourishing, tonic kinds of essences, for when modern life gets to us, we’ve overdone it, overdone too much all the time. Or if a crisis has happened and your adrenals are just shot from being so stressed all the time, bringing Olive into your system will help with that endurance and rebuilding process. 

Rochana Felde [00:34:26] Aloe is another one now that if I were to create some new formulas for this situation, I would think about Aloe and Albizia. Aloe just soothes those overheated conditions. How appropriate in a wildfire, an overheated condition, to lubricate the nervous system. And Albizia for the nervous system as well when it’s over stimulated. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:34:58] Yeah, and also you might have the White Chestnut as well. One of the Bach essences, because it’s really helpful for when you get these circling thoughts, and they just won’t stop, and you just keep recycling the same ideas. A lot of people have been having trouble sleeping. Normally my sleep is pretty good, but it has not been lately. And having something like White Chestnut is useful, or even the the Flourish formula Flora Sleep might be really useful. It’s a common side effect after a trauma that your sleep is very disturbed. 

Rochana Felde [00:35:35] Yeah, especially if you’re getting the evacuation alerts in the middle of the night, and like I did on that first night, I think you had already evacuated. But I had to evacuate two or three times. Go to one place, and then that place gets evacuated, and so that happened about 4:00 o’clock in the morning with an emergency alert. And, you know, we had to get in the car and drive south with about 180,000 other people on the freeway. So, you know, I think that was probably more traumatic than any other part of the whole situation, because there’s nothing worse than being stuck in traffic when you’re trying to flee. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:36:18] Yes. It’s contrary to what every bone in your body is screaming, get us out of here. And also to be shocked awake in the middle of the night in that way is not a great experience for your nervous system. So I hope that you were able to get going with your formula again. And if you’re in a car with people or animals just  pass it around, keep it keep it moving, you know, give it a shot of the essence is under your tongue and they’d give it to the driver, then give it to the animals. And everybody can use a little bit of that Flower Essence stabilization. I’m sorry to hear that you had that experience. I at least was able to evacuate just the one time and spent a week relying on kindness from a good friend. So I’m grateful for that. 

Rochana Felde [00:37:08] Yeah. What I was going to say, having those Nixle alerts, in California, that’s the system that does the emergency notifications on the phone and having it buzz all night long with the next place that was being evacuated, and then finally the place that we were… So that really threw me into every time my phone buzzes, you know, I get that feeling. And at the beginning, it was really extreme. It was really extreme to get a text and have that throw me into that fight or flight type of panic. And I feel like that Post Trauma Stabilizer has been key, a key formula in reducing that reaction. So go ahead and text me now so I can enjoy your text now. But at first it was not enjoyable to get a text. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:38:06] Yeah, I was keeping it in my pocket, in my hand,r for a couple weeks after we got home because it was just everything, every little noise, every alert that you get on your phone. You know, if the helicopters going overhead, the sounds of a siren, everything will trigger that adrenal response, that alarm response in your body. So please get yourself some help for that, because otherwise it just gets locked into your body, rather than having your body be able to release it. And then it becomes less and less. You know, trauma can get permanently emblazoned into your system. And it’s really worthwhile to do everything you can to keep it from getting stuck.So I think that’s given everybody a little taste perhaps of what we’ve been experiencing here in Sonoma County, but also just some good tools and some good help to get yourself, to get your family, to get your pets, through crisis situations. And everywhere has something that’s going to be a crisis depending on what part of the world you live in. And it’s just a little bit of what’s happening right now with the planet as we all need to be preparing for different types of extreme events, different types of weather events. So it’s really good to have a few tools in your in your bag, metaphorically or literally, that will help prepare you for for a crisis that may be coming. Hopefully, hopefully not. But it’s always good to be prepared, right? 

Rochana Felde [00:39:41] Yeah. Be prepared. Don’t be scared. Be prepared. 

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