FEP14 The Winter Season

Each season has challenges, and in Winter our spirits can struggle with lack of sunlight, SAD, low moods exacerbated by the inability to get out as much, and the overall post holiday hangover. Join us as we discuss flower essences to help support your mood, find clarity, and enhance the positive aspects of the season, to pause, rest and reset.

Flower Essences discussed during the show:


  • Acupressure on Kidney 1, Acupuncture.com

Show Transcript

Kathleen Aspenns [00:00:42] Welcome again. We’re really glad to have you with us. I’m Kathleen Aspenns and I’m with Rochana Felde. And today, we’re going to be talking about the winter season. We’ve just passed the solstice, which is the shortest day of the year. Or conversely, the longest night of the year. And it puts us firmly into midwinter. And winter is a really good time to be going deep, and doing some deeper healing work, doing some reflection, some meditations. Anything that helps us find a greater sense of connection to our purpose and direction and also to make plans for the future. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:01:19] The winter has its challenges. A lot of us are impacted by the shortness of days and the lack of sunlight, and that can cause some issues. We’re going to talk about that a little bit and just talk about what we can generally do to support our hearts and spirits and our bodies in this winter season. It’s good to be with you, Ro. 

Rochana Felde [00:01:39] And it’s great to be here, Kathleen. This time of year, I really look at it as a time to pause and rest and reset. I think that’s so important, especially in our modern day busy lifestyle. Society keeps pushing us to be as active in the winter as we are in the summer. And yet we are not designed to do that. Our bodies need some rest. We need to hibernate a bit. We need to embrace the silence and the quietness and the darkness again for a time in order to get that deep rest that I think we really need on both a physical and spiritual level. And because of all the darkness and the light in the sky appearing for such a short amount of time, especially as you said, when the winter solstice happens. And that’s the shortest time of the year to have light, it can definitely affect our mood being in the dark so much. And that can have an impact on our circadian rhythms. And so there is seasonal depression that can happen with a lot of people. And what it looks like and what it feels like is basically just depression that has a seasonal onset. So it has all the same symptoms of depression. And it just so happens that winter is usually the seasonal onset that can trigger it, but also other seasons can as well. 

Rochana Felde [00:03:29] Just to put a little disclaimer out there, you know, if there is a clinical depression happening – that flower essences aren’t a replacement for any therapies or things that are being done for that. So we’re not recommending replacing medications or anything like that. Flower essences, the beauty of them is being able to use them no matter what else you’re doing for your health and your wellness. So, yeah, do you want to dive into talking a little bit about what flower essences we would use for SAD or seasonal affective disorder? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:04:05] For sure. And like you’re saying, the flower essences are beautiful complementary therapy. We’re certainly not recommending anybody do this exclusively necessarily. Especially if you have a really long standing issue or really profound issue, getting support is absolutely key. And there are lots of good supports out there for everyone, depending on what your level of resources are or financial reserves. All those things can impact how you can get help. But there is help out there. And we really want to encourage people to get help. Flower essences for the seasonal onset of the blues, we might say. Rather than pathologizing a lowness as depression. Everyone feels a certain level of sort of lowness and a quietness that comes with the winter. And that’s not necessarily pathological, just because it is a season that we’re supposed to be a little quieter and we’re supposed to be a little more reflective and introspective. And what can we do with that quality of the season that’s beneficial? My favorite first run at this would be to use the Lighten Up formula from the Alaskan Essences. This is one that I’ve used and recommended a lot in the spray version. Especially, I have a client whose husband would not really be interested in taking flower essences, but he likes when she mists him. So she’ll just go through the house, and just spraying Lighten Up around the house. And she said that it just absolutely shifted his mood, night and day and helped him get off of his depressed state of sort of being on the couch. He was definitely having some issues and it’s really shifted his mood. And it helps everyone in the house when you can go ahead and do that and shift the mood of the one individual because they impact all of us. Just being around somebody who’s depressed, it is very hard emotionally to be in that space. So Lighten Up is a great option – using the drops, also using the spray. It’s good to use both. If you’re really struggling, it’s really useful to use both. And Lighten Up is made out of essences that are, you know, in Alaska. They really “get” seasonal affective disorder. I mean, it’s a serious thing there when you only get an hour or two of daylight a day. So they really know how to work with it. And this formula was created for extreme expression of lack of daylight. So Lighten Up is a really good one. I’ve used it quite a lot. And you, Ro? have you been using this one? 

Rochana Felde [00:06:52] Yeah, I do. And I recommend it a lot. Also, the room spray as you mentioned, I also like the FES Illumine quite a bit. And I really resonate with some of the essences that they’ve chosen for that formula that, particularly the St. John’s Wort, the Mustard and the Borage. They also include Explorer’s Gentian and Pine. But I think St. John’s Wort is just a key for any formula dealing with any kind of depressive state, but not just that. And I like what you’re saying about, let’s stop pathologizing the need to go in and be quiet, basically do some self reflection, to not be as social and, you know, honestly, to even eat more carbs. I mean, our body, as long as they’re complex enough, not full of unhealthy sugars, our body needs that during the winter. And it’s not a problem. You know, normally, if you’re already on a low carb diet, the winter is a time to give yourself a little relaxation in the strictness of that. Absolutely. Also, just along that line, vitamin D. 

Rochana Felde [00:08:21] You know, a big part of what can cause the winter blues, as you call them. With less sunlight we’re not getting as much at D3 because of less sunlight, and most people in today’s world are already low and deficient in vitamin D. And I take it and I try to keep my levels up, but that’s definitely one that I have to work extra hard to have enough. And I notice a huge difference when I take a high quality D3 and, you know, a significant dose leading up to the winter. It’s very, very different than if I’m not supplementing. So it’s a really big one and it’s a really easy thing to do. And most doctors, any Western medical doctor, is pretty accommodating to just order a test for that these days. You know, it didn’t used to be that way, but they all now agree and and understand the significance of vitamin D. Not just for mood, but for your physical healing and your physical health and so that you don’t get sick as much. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:09:35] Part of vitamin D deficiency in the wintertime… We don’t get much sunlight and we have to cover our skin from the cold. We generate the vitamin D from sun exposure, don’t we? So, you know, now, even in the summertime, it’s like cover up and sunscreen. But there’s this balance, right? We need to get some sunlight in order to generate this or we have to supplement it. 

Rochana Felde [00:09:56] Yeah, very important for health. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:09:59] But that’s that dynamic of St. John’s Wort, right? Yes, that’s what we were talking about. St. John’s Wort has that light quality, that light bringing quality. And even if it’s not literal light, it’s energetic light. It’s plant nature, spirit light, that we’re bringing in and we’re building that light in our spirit. So it’s kind of it all works together, both symbolically and quite literally as well. 

Rochana Felde [00:10:24] It does. And St. John’s Wort is another one that’s one of those medicinal herbs that is also taken for “depression”. But the energetic of it in the flower essence and the herb as well is really helping to bring the light within and and letting that sort of infuse your soul. Kind of builds and fortifies the light structure around you and helps you integrate both the light and the dark. So it’s not about never having the darkness. It’s about integrating. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:11:09] Good point. We were talking a little bit that the issue of the winter being a time for introspection and reflection. And you’re totally right that culturally we really shift away from the shadow. We’re uncomfortable with looking at those things. We’re uncomfortable looking into the darkness in any real way, because we always want to focus on positive thinking and positive everything. And there’s an imbalance that we create and we’re unable to integrate these realities in our life. You know, these realities of loss, fall is a time of loss. And a lot of times in the wintertime, we’re maybe thinking of the years past that were better. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:11:51] Or we’re a little melancholy because we’re thinking about our family members who are no longer with us or relationships, friendships, all these things that have passed away. And being able to be with that a little bit and be able to process it, embrace it, is part of becoming an integrated human being. And being able to integrate both the light and the dark is really valuable in just being a happier person because it’s pretty hard to force happiness all the time. It has to bubble up out. And that’s where I see the Borage coming in, because Borage gives you that hopefulness, even though things are tough, it gives you that little feeling of beauty. And I find that also, the Mustard, as part of this Illumine formula gives that quality of…Well, the visual for me is, we both live in the North Bay area of California, and I live near the vineyards. And in the wintertime, the very, very early spring, a lot of the vineyards have mustard growing in the rows and they bloom bright yellow. It’s a sulfur yellow color. And the days that you get a clear sky it is just spectacular. The clouds will just clear away and you just get this burst of yellow and you can feel the energy of that flower, that energy of that essence comes out of that burst of yellow like hope for spring. This is going to happen. And it just washes away all of the sadness and the depression and the mud and the bummer of the winter and brings it into that hope of looking forward. 

Rochana Felde [00:13:41] Yeah, it’s a really beautiful sight to come across the vineyards with that mustard, or any mustard in a pasture. Anywhere I see big swatches of beautiful flowers growing together in a rural landscape. It just makes you want to stop your car and take a look, take a picture of it. It definitely brings a smile to my face when I drive by it for sure. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:14:10] I feel like I have to talk about Orange Calcite, too. It’s a gem essence from the Alaskan. And it is in Lighten Up. Orange Calcite is such a great addition to any formula because it provides that radiant glow, and it helps to lift and elevate your spirit when you’re in that darker place. You can walk through the darkness, you can process the darkness, you can be part of that and be able to hold that radiant light in your heart as you move through. 

Rochana Felde [00:14:44] Another one that I would look at as far as the gem essences is Gold. It really warms things up and has that feeling of warmth and light into the body. I think that’s a great one to ground and sort of synthesize these ones that we’re talking about. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:15:06] Yeah, I’d love to move into a next topic, talking about supporting our bodies and our spirits, not specifically relating to the of the loneliness of the season, but more the energetics of the season and supporting our bodies and spirits in that energetic quality of supporting the Kidney. And in Chinese Medicine, the Kidney is emphasized in the winter. It’s a little challenged in cold winters. And just the winter season itself is a challenge to the Kidney. And the Kidney is our life force. It is the health of the Kidney organ system that determines our length of life and our vigor. And when the Kidney is challenged by winter, or also an ongoing challenge for the Kidney would be adrenal fatigue and exhaustion. So if your system is constantly over running itself and you are maybe using caffeine in order to keep going, or you have kind of a constantly firing, sympathetic nervous system, it’s depleting your Kidney qi. And so, it’s good to get on top of that in many, many ways. And flower essences can be a help for that as well. One of the first ones I think about is Olive, which is one of the Bach essences for building up those reserves. If you think about the image of an olive tree, they grow in very dry, harsh climates. You can see the very old trees growing on rocks, basically, and yet they produce this extraordinary crop of dark, oily, nourishing fruit. And that’s kind of the energy that we nourish our Kidneys with. With that kind of lubricating, moistening, energetic that the Olive essence can offer us. Traditionally, Dr. Bach talked about it being useful for that deep bone level exhaustion. And a lot of people do feel that this time of year, because you’ve run yourself into the ground throughout the most of the year and then you’ve really pushed it through the holidays of parties and gatherings and all that. And then you hit January and it’s just whomp. You’ve got nothing left. And I think Olive is a useful essence for starting to change that pattern. And Round Leaf Vitex, another one that I use for that pattern, I see it especially with women. And that’s one of my Flora of Asia essences. It’s a pattern that women so often have because we’re the ones who catch the slack in households and in workplaces. We tend to be the ones that sort of like, well, she’ll do it, she’ll do the extra thing. And she ends up being on the very last of her to do list, and has done that for years and years and years. And it creates this level of exhaustion. And, you know, in order to get through the day, you got to caffeine up, or whatever, in order to get through. And that’s a recipe for some pretty serious health and or spirit challenges. As you go on. 

Rochana Felde [00:18:16] Talking about the olive, you know, herbally, it’s such a potent antiviral and anti microbial, antibacterial. It’s one that’s used for Epstein Barr type issues that are chronic and needing that antiviral immune boosting support. And that’s what happens to us during the winter, just with colds and flus. So that energetic with olive, I think translates to the flower essence as well,  giving you that boost that translates to some physical energy when you’re depleted. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:19:03] And the herbal use is a leaf, is it not? Extracted leaf? 

Rochana Felde [00:19:08] It’s olive leaf. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:19:09] Interesting. Yeah, olives in their native habitat, the people who live there rely on them for significant nutritional benefit and calories. The olive tree produces that rich, rich oil, which is the foundation of the Mediterranean diet, which has been shown to be pretty darn healthy. So something else to think about with the olive, if that’s a partner for you, an essence, or an energetic plant partner for you, think about introducing it into a number of different ways in your life. 

Rochana Felde [00:19:44] Yeah, and the vitex, it’s interesting what you say about the Round Leaf Vitex, because chaste berry another name for that herb. And those are the dried berries and in herbal medicine is used for balancing hormonal levels and the women’s cycle from month to month. So I like hearing the way that you’ve translated that sort of energetic with that version of vitex. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:20:11] Yeah. This is a different species, but they’re all part of the same genus. 

Rochana Felde [00:20:17] Exactly. I am excited to try yours in the Flora of Asia line. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:20:25] And also Banyan Tree from the Hawaiian essences of Jane Bell. It is a nature essence. So it was made under the umbrella of this beautiful old banyan tree. And the vision, the vision of Banyan, which is this of incredibly buttressed roots, these very strong buttress roots, and they send out these adventitious roots out along the branches that suck up moisture out of the air, and then they’ll drop down and root into the earth everywhere they are or everywhere they land. And the quality of Banyan Tree is, in essence form it gives us this ability to root in and ground deeply. And that’s part of that energetic of the Kidney. The Kidney energy is rooting down. It’s a very low energy and a grounded energy. And the first point on the Kidney channel is on the ball of your foot so it has that grounding, rooting quality. And bringing Banyan Tree into your energetic framework helps you connect to the ground and really get stable and solid and start to feed and nourish that part of yourself that requires it. The adrenal fatigue is energy all rising up, up, up and not staying solid and grounded. So that’s an energetic principle to be considering that when we spend our time all in this hyper adrenalized state, all the energy is rising. To be able to spend time counteracting that by dropping down, by using some acupressure, using these essences to help nourish your Kidneys and get your grounding roots into the ground. I know we’ve talked about grounding before, but this is really specific to the season and it’s really specific to counteracting one of the serious problems of modern life is to use essences for this. I love to recommend to the clients I work with to use acupressure, acupressure on Kidney 1, which is right on the ball of your foot. You can find out where it is pretty easily if you do a little Google search. Doing acupressure there, putting an essence there and then doing acupressure with your fingertip can be so good for helping you bring your energies down, and grounded and rooted in. 

Rochana Felde [00:22:38] Excellent. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:22:40] One of the other pieces that is part of this winter season, and we can see it from Western culture where we talk about making resolutions or setting your course for the next year. It also fits into Chinese medicine concept with this season of the Kidney. And the Kidney is the seat of our wisdom. Our essence is where our will to live, and our direction and purpose. And so it kind of all fits together in an interesting way that if we spend some time in this quiet season, in this breathing in time, and thinking about where we want to go with our futures and by working essences that help to connect us to our inner wisdom and our knowing, it’s a good use of your time this winter. Certainly, Cerato would be one of my favorites for thinking about this because Cerato gives us this connection to our knowing. You know, the typical Cerato state is asking everyone for advice, just going around in circles, asking for advice and then never being able to take it because you’re just always asking. You’re stuck in the asking. And Cerato tells you, hang on, just take a minute and and feel into your knowing and you will you already know what to do. You don’t have to keep asking, what do you think about for the for the you know, the direction and purpose in this sort of visioning for the for the year ahead? What sort of essences are you thinking about? 

[00:24:20] I like using this part of the time, To still myself, going within, and finding that purpose. And Wild Oat is another one that is helpful when you don’t know, when you don’t know what essence to use, and you don’t know where you’re going. So that helps you connect with that knowledge within you, as you say. And once we find what we are wanting to do for the new year, I’m one that has a little bit of a different spin on what happens when January first hits. I mean, I don’t think that’s the time to say, OK, now. Now we’re gonna get up and go and do all these things and change our lives when the calendar flips over. Yeah, I think we’re still in the middle of winter and we will be for some time. So we still want to honor our bodies and honor this downtime until more of February. Basically, when spring starts to get more of a head. I like what you’re saying about having these essences to help us with that visioning and with that connecting to the wisdom of yourself. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:25:39] Yeah, it’s not about, you know, January 1st, you hop out and you join a gym because we all know that doesn’t work. Gyms.. You go the first week of January and they’re crammed. And then the second, third week of January, things are knocking off. It’s not really a great time to start something new necessarily, but it is a really good time to be thinking about what you’re going to be doing when you get ready to start something new. It’s a good time because there is a certain amount of clarity. I don’t know about you, but the first few weeks of January kind of everybody’s hibernating at least a little bit and your phone isn’t ringing quite as much. And there are not quite as many new things that are showing up on your plate. And it gives you a little bit of time and space to tackle a little bit of planning, or working on some projects that you just haven’t had time to focus on. 

Rochana Felde [00:26:27] Are there any others that you like for that for that piece of it with looking in? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:26:34] Yeah, absolutely. If we’re looking for, you know, getting yourself some sort of deep down strength and fortitude. The word I love is fortitude. Penstemon from the Flower Essence Society provides that quality of digging deep, and and building on your reserves, and strengthening them, and being able to focus on what you’re heading towards, even if you’re not necessarily moving it. It helps when your life has maybe not been easy and a lot of things have happened that were not outwardly beneficial or very, very difficult experiences. Penstemon helps you connect to the ability, the quality of resilience and the ability to take what happened and build something good, forward out of it. And finding your strength from your experiences and from the wisdom that you gained out of that experience. I also use Shillong Rose a lot, which is a Flora of Asia essence, because it has a similar quality to Blackberry, which is another FES essence. It helps you to dig deep and stick to it, stick to your plan, stick to your ideals and your goals. And you know, goals are rarely achieved in one day or in one big giant burst of energy. They’re usually something you have to do over time, you know, drip by drip, keep working every day or, you know, maybe not every day, but in a certain consistency, a fashion that suits your constitution. But you’ve got to keep working at it. You gotta keep showing up and you’ve got to keep doing the work that you’re here to do. 

Rochana Felde [00:28:23] Absolutely. And Blackberry as well would be another one to help with that. Also, I like the idea of other roses in general, especially Wild Rose. You know, so that we’re easy on ourselves, you know, give ourselves some time for self care. It’s part of that. You know, we don’t have to be on a schedule right now. We should try not to be. Whenever we get the chance in our schedule, to not be on a schedule. It’s a paradox, isn’t it? It really is, isn’t it? We just live and die by the calendar by a time in our society. We need to be a little lighter on our productivity goals at this time of year, not harder on ourselves for maybe not going to all the social events or not doing all the things we had in mind. Making all the gifts or buying all, you know, whatever it is that the stresses of the season that we’re putting on ourselves, we’re probably not going to get them all done. It’s just the way it is.

Kathleen Aspenns [00:29:41] Yes. I always enjoy hearing plans of people. They have these big ambitious plans. I’m taking two weeks off and I’m going to write my book. It’s like, OK, maybe think more about realistic goals, perhaps because that might not happen. And then you’re going to be disappointed that you weren’t able to do this unrealistic project. 

Rochana Felde [00:30:00] Yeah, it’s such a trap and we all fall into it. I mean, I am very guilty as well. I like the rose, to just remember that.. You know what? All I have to really do right now is to try to give myself some love and attention and to do my own healing and give myself some time for that. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:30:28] And I’m getting this image right now of how beautiful it would be to have a little bowl of dried rose petals on your desk or even a little sachet and just taking time to smell them periodically and bringing that energy in, you know, breathing it in, breathing in that promise of summer. Right. Because their season is so alternate to this one. So their energetic is a counteract to the inward drawing sense of winter. So having that quality to help balance the that inward dark season with a little bit of remembrance of what the summer is coming to be. 

Rochana Felde [00:31:11] Yeah. And and in addition to that, making friends with the winter season and what’s happening outside at this time of year, of course, we’re in the northern hemisphere. So it’s cold, but all the evergreens are out there doing their thing. And, you know, it’s a traditional practice all over the world in various ways to bring evergreen boughs into the home during this time of year. Well, not all over the world, I guess, in the northern hemisphere. Originating in Europe specifically. So, you know, we have the origin of the Christmas tree that was boughs of greenery. We have the holly in California right now. We’ve got I’ve you know, the California Holly is fruiting. So there’s beautiful bunches of red, you know, all through the area where I am. And it’s got that great Christmasy feel to it. And, you know, I’ll take a little piece of some pine when I’m out walking.  I’ll do some western red cedar or some sequoia branches. Anything that’s green, and bring them into the house and get that cleansing energy, that grounding energy from the tree, and their various specific energetics depending on the tree. But that’s another lovely one to have in the home to help with this time of year. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:32:51] What a great idea, too, to bridge that quality of nature, even if you can’t be out in it all the time. And I love that you’re talking about noticing things. For me, that’s the thing. In wintertime, it creates more clarity. The leaves are not as thick. And you can see more. You can see further. You see different views than you can see the rest of the year. And I think that that principle applies both in reality and also in inner reality. There’s less clutter, you’re able to see more clearly. Going for walks and noticing the qualities of the winter time, the branches and the bark and the berries, and what’s going on in the world in winter time, even if it’s very, very quiet. You know, we’re in an area that’s a wet, cool winter, but not snowy generally. We get a lot of rain, but still there’s quite a lot of growth and greenery around us. But certainly if you’re an area that snowy, there’s still quite a lot of nature to look at and you can bring little sprigs of greenery in with you and spend time with them. I’ve talked about Pine flower essence so many times, but I think there’s a quality that fits in with the winter well. It’s about letting go of old things. It’s about letting go of old guilt, and and all the “shoulds” and the self judgment, and all of the things that we don’t like about ourselves. Taking Pine flower essence is a great way to sweep that clear in the same way that bringing a pine into the house changes the whole energy. It breathes in your space – that scent and the quality, it helps to shift things. And I think that Pine as an essence really starts to shift things internally as well. 

Rochana Felde [00:34:41] Yeah, and it’s another one that’s in the Illumine formula that we were talking of earlier. Yes. So it’s sort of perfect that it comes around that way. And I definitely want to piggyback on what you’re saying about noticing. You know, mindfulness, really. That’s what we’re talking about when we’re talking about going within and having sort of a more meditative energy during the midwinter season, doing a walk is perfect for that. And noticing what nature is doing. It’s really great. Any time of year, obviously, but it gives us those clues about the energy of the season. I mean, more than clues, it’s very obvious for those of us who do this. I love what you’re saying about being able to see more clearly and see through when all the trees have lost their leaves. I’m surrounded by a lot of those. And now I have more of a vision into the evergreens due to the ones that lost their leaves. And so the landscape is different. And that’s one of the reasons why it feels different. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:36:02] And on some level, if you think about it, what was in the background is now in the foreground. So you can see the trees for the forest. Right. So you get a different perspective this time of year out in nature. And then also internally, you can see a different quality and a different perspective. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:36:23] Well, before we close up, I want to bring one more essence in that’s so much part of the winter season. It’s Holly. And Holly is one of the classic Bach essences so perfect for this time of year. It’s so perfect for all of the gatherings and all of the socializing. Even though we’re sort of reaching the end of that season, there’s a lot of inter relationships that we’ve been recognizing where we have growth points. Holly is helpful for jealousy, for that feeling of not getting enough. I’m not getting what I need. I’m not getting my recognition. I’m not getting my love. I’m not getting all of these things that build up in our heart and cause us pain. It’s a form of heart pain. And Holly helps us to just expand, breathe into our hearts and recognize that we can get everything that we need. Sometimes we have to source it ourselves. Sometimes we have to set a boundary. Sometimes we have to ask for what we need, which is always really useful to do. But Holly brings a certain peace and release to that so not quite so intensely held. It’s more of a softening of the heart where we can find a way of connecting with our loved ones, our colleagues, our family members in ways that are new and not based on old patterns. 

Rochana Felde [00:37:58] Totally agree. Yeah, that’s a good one to make sure we talk about again. Yeah. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:38:03] So it’s been really nice spending this time with you on this quiet winter day. Well, it may not be quiet on my end. I know my little birds have been singing all along the way and I think I heard your dog get up and have a nice stretch before she went back on the sofa. But that’s the quality of winter. We should watch our dogs. They know what to do, go over and lay in the sun. 

Rochana Felde [00:38:24] Yeah, I’m ready to get on that couch right there. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:38:29] So thank you for joining us. We’ve really enjoyed talking about winter and flower essences for winter with you, and we’re really glad that you’re along for the ride with us. We’ll have good notes on the website episode page about what we’ve talked about. So you can always check in there if you don’t listen to this with a pencil handy. And we really appreciate the conversations that we’re having on social media, on Instagram and Facebook, and just help us by spreading the word and sharing with somebody that you know would really enjoy this show. It’s a labor of love for us. We love to talk about flower essences, and we love to share the healing qualities of nature with you. So thanks for being with us. 

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