In this episode, Kathleen and Rochana speak to expert Locational Astrologer, Moses Siregar, who combines western and Vedic astrology in the unique field of astrocartography.
With a love for and background in flower essences and vibrational remedies, Moses continues to use these in conjunction with his astrology practice. We chat about the big astrological transits of March 2023 (Saturn moving into Pisces and Pluto into Aquarius) and flower essences that can support us during this time.
Flower Essences discussed during the show:
- Wild Oat – Healing Herbs
- Rock Water – Healing Herbs
- Mustard – Healing Herbs
- Gorse – Healing Herbs
- Willow – Healing Herbs
- Wild Rose – Healing Herbs
- Gentian – Healing Herbs
- Scotch Broom – FES
- Abundance blend
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:00:17]
Welcome back, everyone. It’s really nice to be with you today. And today we have a special guest. We have Moses Siregar to share ideas about flower essences and how he weaves that into his life and work with astrology. Moses Siregar is one of the world’s leading experts in the field of locational astrology or astrocartography. With 29 years of experience in practice as an East-West astrologer combining the best of Western astrology along with Hindu or Vedic astrology. Once upon a time he had a flower essence line called Grace Flower Essences and has been passionate about vibrational remedies since the late ’90s. He was the first president of the Association for Young Astrologers and now organizes The Blast Astrology Conference in Sedona, Arizona. Welcome. It’s really good to have you here.
Moses Siregar: [00:01:33] Thank you so much, Kathleen.
Rochana Felde: [00:01:35] Yeah, we’re really excited to have you on for a few reasons. One of them is we both are very interested in astrology and the other is we also are bringing on people who are using flower essences in their practice, who aren’t necessarily strict flower essence practitioners. So we’re really interested to hear how people, other types of practitioners bring flower essences into their practice.
Moses Siregar: [00:02:02] Awesome. Awesome.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:02:04] So perhaps you can get us started a little bit by telling us kind of where your origin story perhaps, and how you got interested in essences. And I know– I think I know that astrology certainly came first. I mean, you were born into an astrological household, right?
Moses Siregar: [00:02:21] Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that’s been around since I was quite young. I was in the womb. My mom was studying astrology, so that’s been the destiny all along, apparently. Yeah, but essences are a different story a little bit. So I was in Athens, Georgia in the ’90s going to college, University of Georgia. And I was like the super hippie man. I had this student organization called SHARE. Originally it stood for Seeking Harmony And Reaching Enlightenment. And then my buddy took it over and he changed it to Reaching Everyone. I said, “That’s fine, we can do that too.” And I ran this magazine called The Catalyst. And I was a college student, I was running this thing out of my bedroom pretty much. I had like 13,000 copies around Athens, Georgia. The first edition had the quote from, I believe it’s actually originally a– it was ascribed to Marianne Williamson, who was actually in the news right now because she’s trying to run for president. But there was that quote that, what we fear most is not our darkness but our light, sort of thing. Right? And I think that was actually a quote from Nelson Mandela, if I’m not mistaken, but it was sometimes attributed to her. And anyway, the first copy had that right on the cover, you know.
And so I was really quite into raising consciousness as a very young 20-something-year-old guy. I’d gotten turned on by a lot of really cool channeled material. There was this Hilarion that was channeled by this guy in Toronto and just opened my mind to so many things. And so I was out there doing all these things. I was organizing events and then just a lot of community service. And somehow I just was very awake and that channel material had turned me on to his message was essentially that, there’s a tribulation coming for planet Earth and we need to do something to raise the consciousness before we get ourselves into a giant mess. And I guess that stuff was channeled in the ’80s. It seems more true today when you think about it. But I actually took that very seriously. And so I decided, okay, then I’m going to do what I can to try to organize gatherings for world peace and all these kind of things. So I was really turned on. And a buddy of mine named Todd Byington, he eventually went on to be in a band in Asheville, North Carolina. You guys look up The Lost Chord – Moody Blues Tribute Band, they’ve got some stuff on YouTube and just a really sweet, beautiful soul who was in that band, who helped turn me on to flower essences. So there we are.
Anyway, he has a big old beard, and he works at this place called the Phoenix Market. This was this really wonderful hippie health food store in Athens, Georgia, back then. And so people would walk in there, just everybody off the street in Athens, Georgia. And there was just a complete selection of hippies to help everybody find the herbs that they needed and the flower essences that they needed and all these sorts of things. So he turned me on to the Bach Remedies basically, and I was like, “Okay, fine.” I’m open to things. I’m very practical. I think by nature, if I see that something works, I want to use it. And so he I read over a list of Bach Flower Remedies, and I was at the time a very uptight kind of vegan, like I was very strict in my diet. And I was just very much like that. And I believe Rock Water was one of the key ones that he had recommended to me at the time. And this is how I knew that they worked because I started taking this Rock Water and maybe a couple other ones. I think I took Pine back then and basically they all worked brilliantly.
But the Rock Water story is kind of funny because this is going to sound silly to some people. But after starting to take this thing, I remember walking down to a gas station and buying a Snickers bar and eating it, and that was so completely out of character for me at the time that I was like, “What is going on here?” Next thing I know, I’m in this diner right downtown in Athens. There’s this famous diner and I order a chicken sandwich off the menu, and I look around the restaurant like people are going to judge me for this. I’m like, “Wait, no, this is normal. People do this.” And I don’t think I ever ate another chicken sandwich after that. But I did it that one time enough to know that, oh, it just loosened me up and I could see this is something, this is really something. So that was kind of how I got going.
And then I think Pine helped me with some of my self-judgment at the time and things like that. And then I just became really passionate. I just wanted to try each one. I wanted to share them with my friends. I wanted everyone to try them and see what they were like and then ended up moving over to Boulder, Colorado, and then Durango, Colorado, and I got really into essences. I was really into learning them, FES essences and the Bach Remedies at first. Eventually got into the Star Flower Essences, which are really neat. They’re based out of Santa Barbara. They get a lot of their stuff from Peru, like they’ll have these Orchids that grow near Machu Picchu. And I just became like my own little flower essence practitioner, just learning them one at a time and mixing blends for people. And I had all the bottles out there. People would come into my little office and I’d do astrology readings and I’d mix the little flower essence bottles. So I just for the longest time, astrology and flower essences were my thing, and I felt like the flower essences gave me something I could give people directly to help them with things that a two-hour astrology consultation could only do so much to maybe illuminate some things, and that can be incredibly valuable, but to have something that could actually sort of go right in and change something on an emotional level, a spiritual level and kind of attract a different energy to someone, still to this day, I think it’s the most incredible thing. So I love them so much, but there’s only so many essences I tend to recommend these days or work with. And I really respect the flower essence practitioners out there who do this work.
And one of the reasons I gave up on it is like a main thing that I was doing is because I got a little discouraged, I think, that people weren’t understanding them as well as I had hoped that they would, or they would take them and they’d say, “Oh, well, all those things we talked about are doing better, but I don’t know if the essence is helping with it.” I’m like, “Yes, it’s helping. That’s exactly what we talked about,” or just to see people not quite take them as seriously as I thought that they should. I think it got to be too much of an educational effort. And so that wasn’t eventually the thing I chose to really focus on. But there are still some things I recommend quite a lot. And if anyone is really open to the essences, I love turning them on to them because I feel like it opens up such a world of grace, so many things that you can help yourself and your people with, with such little effort really. It’s not very expensive and you don’t have to do a whole lot and all these miraculous things happen. So I think they’re the coolest thing ever and I would love to do even more with them. But I do a lot of astrology these days and locational astrology, and that’s kind of more where the universe seems to want me these days.
Rochana Felde: [00:08:59] Isn’t that the truth that it is such an educational effort because it’s a subtle vibrational modality, right? And I think we’re so used to being hit over the head with pharmaceuticals or something really strong. And that’s usually what people, how they attribute when something’s working is to feel that sort of biochemical immediate reaction. And so many people aren’t used to following those subtle changes and then taking a look and seeing how they’ve been working. With the natal chart, do you see patterns emerging that lend themselves in the natal chart to certain essences for people based on those patterns? Or how does it come about in your sessions where you decide what essences that are useful for that person?
Moses Siregar: [00:09:51] Yeah, I never really necessarily linked them up like that. My thing was always if I was going to work with essences with someone, I would just essentially say, if you could write a blank check to the universe for anything you want help with, maybe it’s something emotional or spiritual or on a mental level, more so typically than physical, although there are essences that I think that can help with some physical things too, but it’s more on that subtler level, what would you like help with, or what would you like to have more of? What would you like to be able to access more easily within yourself? What do you find yourself struggling with? And I would just try to let people talk and say what their thing was, and then I would just start taking notes and then go over all my books and everything that I knew and try to figure out what would work for them. So I mean, you can make some correspondences between some of the astrological pieces. I mean, you might have a real typical Virgo person and they need like Crabapple and Pine or something like that or maybe a real typical Taurus person is kind of taking everything on their shoulders and they need like Elm and Oak or something like that. So you can do some of that. But I always like to be as tailored to the individual as possible. And I think if you work with enough essences, you can really do that where you can just really try to address what they’ve got going on.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:11:02] Yeah, and I really appreciate that there’s this hesitance to become super prescriptive, like all Geminis need this and all– everything’s always so much more complex and so much more interesting than that. And there’s also so much development that happens over time like when you’re offering essences to someone they may have really needed this this month, but the next month maybe they don’t quite need that so much and they’ve evolved into something else. And things emerge over time. So to sort of have a hard list of, this is what we offer for this person, it’s not really the way things work anyways.
I know that one of the essences that you’ve mentioned that you use a lot and we’d love to talk about a little bit is Wild Oat. So often people come to you, I’m sure, and certainly come to flower essence practitioners like us with like, “I don’t even know where to start. I don’t even know what I’m supposed to be doing. Why am I here? What is going on?” And it’s kind of a little bit of a tangle to try to pull apart. And I know that you mentioned that you use Wild Oat in these kinds of contexts. What have been your experiences, if you have any?
Moses Siregar: [00:12:20] Yeah. Yeah. That is the one I’ve recommended roughly a bazillion times. Now what’s a little tricky is Wild Oat is not actually from a flower, if I’m not mistaken. Right? What is it actually from, do you know?
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:12:33] Technically it is a flower of a grass, right? So it doesn’t look like a flower in the way we think about it, but it is the flowering scape of the grass, I believe.
Moses Siregar: [00:12:43] Okay, okay, cool, cool. Because some of those like Rock Water, that one’s not a flower, Right? So some of the Bach Remedies, you got to explain, well, it’s kind of a flower essence, but– so, okay, good. Thank you for that correction. Yeah, but I have recommended it roughly a bazillion times. I’m glad to know that it is actually a flower, so that makes it easier to explain to people, but you see me, I’m very practical. I’m just like, “This works. Take it.” I don’t necessarily even know how to explain what it is exactly. I think, yeah, that is an essence that keeps you on your path. The red carpet kind of rolls out in front of you and you just walk down the path, so it bypasses– this is my take on it of course. It bypasses your conscious mind and all the ways you typically kind of get in your own way. And it keeps you where you’re kind of supposed to be. So if you’re lost, it helps you. If you need money– I tell people, there’s been multiple times in my life where I’ve not been quite sure who I want to be when I grow up, I need to figure out how to make more money, or I need to get on my path in some way, I’ll take Wild Out for a year straight. Even if I take other essences, I’ll mix it into my formulas and keep taking it. And at the end of that year, there’s no question. I’m like, I’m doing what I’m supposed to be doing. It seems so obvious that I am where I need to be. Now, I think sometimes you could take that one and maybe you’re not in a phase where you’re supposed to be all gung ho about your work because your chart’s all gummed up with mucky stuff for a while and you can’t really make the progress that that part of you wants to make non stop all the time in this very masculine go-go kind of world. Well, sometimes we have to stop. Sometimes we have to be lost a little bit. Sometimes we have to slow down or heal. We got to process things. We got to wait for the right timing. So it’s not that taking it always necessarily gets you in that speed boost forward in your life, but it does seem to keep you where you need to be at any given time. And when it is time to kind of do your thing, it really seems to help attract things to you to get you going. So a lot of times people are saying, “Who should I be when I grow up essentially? What kind of work do you think I should do?” And so I can try to read that through the chart and tell them, “Well, you have this incredibly strong Venus, and therefore these professions might make sense for you and things like that.” But at the same time, I know that if I recommend Wild Oat and they take it, my job is kind of done in the sense like, they will attract it to themselves. The essence will attract that vibration to them. So I always feel so good about recommending that. And I always like to say, this is like the best ROI of your life, like the return on investment for a $15 bottle of Wild Oat that you can refill, this is my opinion, you just keep refilling it. You don’t even have to buy it again if you don’t want to and keep taking that thing, it will keep you on your path. And so imagine literally even how much money that thing is probably going to make you if it really helps you to do your work, you find your calling and to get going with that.
And these days, I do a lot of helping people figure out where to live as well. And that’s another thing where it ought to help. It ought to help people stay in alignment with where they kind of ought to be in life in general. So a lot of times I like to put a good 2, 3-minute plug for Wild Oat into a session, because I know if they follow through with that, it’s going to do miraculous things for them. I just think it’s just the most incredible thing. I mean, I just don’t know anything that you could put so little money and effort into and really achieve so much of an effect, so much change just based on a little bit of an effort like that.
So I think, if I’m not mistaken, Bach considered that one of his two most important essences. I believe it was that and Holly were the two and Holly, I guess you can see because it helps with the heart. I mean, if there’s jealousy and things like this, it keeps your heart more open. But Wild Oat, it’s hard to say something’s more important than the heart, but at the same time, I just feel like Wild Oat is the one. It’s just so miraculous like that.
Rochana Felde: [00:49:59] Yeah. I mean, Scotch Broom was coming into mind as well for that despair and pessimism about like world events and what’s going on there. But this conversation is so fascinating. I would love to just sit with you and mind meld for another hour. But since we’re coming along to the end of this, is there anything else you’d like to bring in, flower essence wise, astrology wise, and then also, do you want to tell us what you’re currently working on and how people can find you?
Moses Siregar: [00:50:33] Yeah, sure. Yeah, I do have an Abundance flower essence blend that’s been the main one that I have sold that I kind of helped to co-create, me and a number of friends back in Durango, Colorado in, gosh, 2000 was it? Yeah, I think so. We put together a number of– that was my flower essence, and we created this flower essence line together. But the Abundance bottle was the one that probably has been the signature kind of mascot of the flower essence line. So that one I do still have available. It’s just something I still work with a little bit. And so anyone who’s interested in that, it was a good blend of quite a few essences, but it really has worked for a lot of people in terms of abundance. It seemed to help with either like an internal sense of abundance or external or both. It seems like it can kind of help with either one. So my website is www.astrologyforthesoul.com. Everything’s just spelled out. You can also just Google Moses astrology and you’ll find me. And so you can always contact me through that. And I’ve been mostly focused on trying to– I taught my master class on holistic locational astrology that I wrapped up last year. I’m almost done right now with a follow-up practicum class for the people that wanted to kind of go even further with it. So certainly if you know people who are into astrology and they want to really study locational astrology, unfortunately there’s not like a great book to recommend yet. I mean, there are some, but everyone will tell you like there’s no book that really explains it as well as you want to have it explained. First, I did a class because I feel like it should be an oral thing. Like, you should hear the teacher, they should be explaining it, they should be showing you examples. So I created that so that people that want to study it can access that if they want to. And the book is on the agenda hopefully as well, knock on wood, to put out there. So mostly I’m focused on working with clients in that realm, teaching people how to do this sort of thing. I do have a conference I’m going to try to put together. I’ve got some dates lined up, hopefully fingers crossed, for end of March, beginning of April of 2024 in Sedona. I had put together something called The Blast Astrology Conference in 2007 and 2008, and there were a couple of really neat conferences that brought together East-West, old-young, and just all these different traditions in astrology and put everybody in the same room together. So they had to hear all the lectures. And it kind of created this kind of neat thing in the community where that kind of became a little bit more how people were looking at things after that, I think at least had some influence in that direction. So I’m looking to do that again after exactly 17 years after the first one in 2024. So that could be a neat event for people that want to check out some astrology in person in Sedona. That’s hopefully coming back around again.
And yeah, I just love helping people. And I just love getting in the trenches and just trying to solve it, each puzzle one at a time and just see what everybody’s got to work with and how to kind of listen to what they want and try to help them see what might support them in that and then also to see what might be coming in the bigger picture as well for them to kind of align with that better. So yeah, and you can find all my social media from there. I do Facebook and Twitter and a little bit of Instagram, YouTube, but yeah, I’m going into a creative phase hopefully here. I’m feeling a lot of creative energy coming in, so I’m hoping to do a podcast and a lot more things. So I have a newsletter as well you can sign up for and get emails as well.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:54:00] Fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing your insights and your time with us today. We really, really appreciate it. And we’ve been looking forward to talking to you. And we’ll just see what’s coming up for everyone. I can’t wait to hear more from you. I know that I really enjoy reading your takes on current events on your Facebook posts. Really insightful about how the planets and how the movements are interacting with current events. And it’s really a wonderful service that you offer. So I appreciate those and appreciate what you do. So thank you so much for being with us and we look forward to hopefully crossing paths again in the future.
Moses Siregar: [00:54:44] Yes, let’s do it.
Rochana Felde: [00:54:47] Absolutely. Thanks again and can’t wait for what’s next and hearing a future podcast from you. That’s really exciting.
Moses Siregar: [00:54:55] Yeah, the Holistic Astrology Podcast is the tentative name for that. And I have an 11-year-old daughter. I’m waiting for her to be ready for us to do a show, an astrology show together as well. She’s interested in doing it, but I’m just kind of just waiting for the right moment when I feel she’s really ready for it. So that might be on the agenda as well at some point.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:55:14] What fun.
Rochana Felde: [00:55:16] Wonderful. Thanks again. Bye-bye now.
Moses Siregar: [00:55:19] All right. Thanks so much. Adios. Aloha.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:55:26] This podcast is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. We are not physicians and do not diagnose, prescribe, or treat medical conditions. Please consult with your own physician or healthcare practitioner regarding the suggestions and recommendations made by the hosts and guests of The Flower Essence Podcast.