FEP81 The gift of soul-aligned community
Show Notes:
Kathleen and Rochana discuss the magical and healing benefits of belonging to a safe and soul-aligned community, while acknowledging the challenges faced by empaths and those recovering from toxic community experiences.
We explore flower and gem essences for maintaining healthy discernment, grounding, and boundaries, for feeling more at ease so you can show up as who you actually are, and for feeling coherence in spaces with others.
No matter where you are in the process, the community of Nature, plants, and animals is always there for you. And if you use flower essences and yearn to talk about it with like-minded souls, stay tuned for our upcoming Soul Circle beginning in 2026. Join the waitlist here.
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Flower Essences discussed during the show:
- 14:31 Roses and China Rose flower essences for healthy boundaries with an open heart
- 16:52 Pink Yarrow for empathic discernment and all the Yarrows for strengthening the field
- 18:50 Mallow for softening into the care of community
- 19:48 Gold for grounding, warmth, and understanding your value
- 21:39 Pretty Face for showing up as who you are
- 25:00 Alpine Azalea for removing with conditional self-acceptance
- 27:02 Ericaceae (Heather) family as grounding, relaxing support and sense of belonging
- 31:13 Redwood for accepting others into your community
- 31:26 Sweet Pea for feeling safe coherence in spaces
- 32:49 Foundational steps for finding safe spaces
- 34:50 community for those using flower essences for self-growth
- 43:32 self-development for your journey, as individual or practitioner
- 46:35 free monthly live chat
Show Transcript
Kathleen Aspenns: Welcome back, flower lovers. Today, Rochana and I are going to be talking about the gift and value of community. Now, this is a topic that it’s so interesting. As somebody who’s a cult survivor, the whole community thing for so many years was such a red flag, and I wanted to run as far and as fast as I could from those sorts of interactions, and yet, as I’ve worked my way through my healing process, thank goodness for the flowers. They have helped me be able to start opening in many ways to communities. And over the last few decades, I’ve really discovered the value of community and the beauty that can happen. And all of us are works in progress, every single one of us, and there are pieces of ourselves that we find, hmm, maybe push a few buttons when we’re working with others in a community setting, but there’s so much richness in connecting with others in a community that you choose, a community of like-minded individuals, of like-minded souls. And so, we thought we’d talk about that today and the healing process to get to a place where you can really enjoy that, and then what can happen for you when you do.
Rochana Felde: Yeah, and similarly for me, I grew up definitely not liking crowds, but when it came to healing groups, I had some different and strange experiences. I had, in my early 20s, involved in, actually, a very wonderful women’s group that was small and intimate, and we worked on the Louise Hay Heal Your Life content. But it did kind of veer into a weird way, and there were all sorts of kind of like the new age, I would say, cultish aspects to those, and really, even more than that, this sort of pressure, this pressure to join and to be doing what the group was doing. And as soon as I had a taste of that, I was out of there. I just could not get far enough away. And so, I had a very distrustful attitude towards circles and groups.
And even though along the years I had gone to things like drumming circles, and had various good experiences, I never felt like I belonged, and I never felt like I really trusted enough to fully, I don’t know, be a part of it, or really work with it in a way that was helpful to me. It was more like, oh, this is what everybody in the healing community is doing, so you should be doing it too, right? And that just never flied with me. It might have to do a bit with my sort of more Water Violet personality, but there is definitely a challenge in finding the community, the soul group, the soul community that’s right for you. And then, how do we sort of let go of those guards that we may have put up from our childhood or our unpleasant experiences, or just even the fear of what could happen from opening up to other people?
Kathleen Aspenns: There’s so much in this. I mean, there’s so much for what I would consider to be the first stage, which is for those of us who are very resonant, like you’re mentioning your Water Violet type, which for those, if you’re not completely conversant with the Bach Flower Remedies, is somebody who tends to be very sensitive, tends to be more retiring, tends to be sort of the wallflower, and doesn’t really want to be in the center of things, and very easily sort of drifts off when there is some intensity. And they can be kind of lonely because it’s a real challenge to find that level of connection when you’re that sensitive, to find a safe place for you to connect to. Not as a Water Violet, hopefully, I have sort of summarized that effectively. What would you say, Ro?
Rochana Felde: Yeah, that tracks. I mean, I think that there is various ways of being Water Violet, and it can be different depending on the person. I just always resonated with that plant and that flower, and that it actually does have a community. It has its own community. So, I think it’s a little bit more sensitive of not being with its own people, with its own communities. So, that’s another way to think about it. It might just be it’s the neurodivergent flower. It’s like, it doesn’t feel comfortable out in the world as much as with its own safe space with its own people, so to speak.
And, yeah, it is such an interesting plant because it can both be rooted in the ground and underneath the water, or it can float around. And so, I kind of even look at that as a way of it being an explorer, and doesn’t have that same sort of out-there-in-the-world pioneer plant explorer energy, but maybe it’s more of a consciousness explorer. And I really like to think of it that way. The more that I get to know this, such a beautiful plant and flower, it reveals these kinds of things to me.
And so, yeah, it is a journey with the groups. And what changed for me was in this flower essence community that we’ve created with The School for Flower Essence Studies, and just this outcropping, it sort of happened very organically. We didn’t set out to create these groups and communities where flower essence people– I mean, we wanted to have a place where flower essence people could come together. We started with the conferences, right, and that was the initial thought, and then we knew we wanted to have courses, and we started making courses, but what organically formed was this idea of really having these private safe spaces for flower essence people to come together. And certain courses that we have and certain mentoring programs that we have, after the Zoom is over, we’ll leave the Zoom on for half an hour and leave the room so that the people can just talk to each other, and it is absolutely kind of mind-blowing how much people love that. They just love having that place to talk to like-minded people. And so, having that experience with our school and our offerings has kind of propelled us to even expand on that more. And then as we created a more hybrid approach of teaching, where we’ve pre-recorded core material and then use the live Zooms to have just more open discussions instead of lectures, that also has been extremely valuable and popular, and students really love that. It’s just so much more helpful than basically talking heads and PowerPoints and things like that. It’s having real discussions about these essences and how they help. And it’s evolved into some very personal work that people have been willing to open up and be vulnerable and do this sort of group work.
And so, that’s where we’re headed next. We’re going to talk about that a little bit more at the end of the podcast, but I just wanted to bring that in because it’s been this evolution that not only has our business gone through, but I personally have gone through in my own work and thoughts about groups and working with groups in this sort of self-healing space, this self-growth space, where I didn’t realize what I was missing until we opened up that opportunity for us and our students. And now it’s like, “Yes, this is amazing.” Sure, yes, working with a flower essence practitioner is also amazing. If you know what to do and you want to be your own practitioner, there’s plenty that you can do that’s very empowering for you to work with yourself, but when you get together to do this with a group of people who are also doing the same thing, I feel like that’s a missing link. And there’s this quote that says, “We don’t heal in isolation, but in community,” that I came across from S. Kelley Harrell, and that is really the gist of it. There’s another one by Bell Hooks, “Rarely, if ever, are any of us healed in isolation. Healing is an act of communion.” And I love both of those, and they really speak to me now, in my heart feeling more open to this work to do together.
Kathleen Aspenns: There’s so much of a progression, and I’d love to discuss sort of some of the phases of that progression, because I think you’re right with the work that we started out doing together, where we chose to do a podcast together and put it out there, and there wasn’t as much awareness of the community that was forming around the podcast, “Hey, y’all, I see you.” It has been amazing to finally meet people who are connecting to what we’re putting out, and that’s been this magical community that’s emerged out of us being on Zoom together, right, Ro? And yet, when those of us who start off having been victimized by community, whether it was a community not of our choosing, like some of us when we grow up in a community that’s toxic, and then there’s also people who’ve deeply, deeply wanted to be part of the community, and entered in and thought it was wonderful, and then it turns out to also be toxic. There’s a huge shadow in communities and leaders and these hierarchical organizations where bad things can happen to people, and really toxic environments and controlling environments, and it seems great when you get in, and everybody’s love-bombing you, and everything’s wonderful, and then it’s not like that.
And so, I just really want to honor anyone who is on the journey of recovering from toxic community, toxic environments like that, because you may not be yet at a state where joining a community would be really healing for you. I know that I have had a long phase in my life where that would not have been good, and I didn’t want to have anything to do with it. Thank you very much. And so, I found community in plants, in nature, with animals, and I know that there’s a lot of us out there where that is our safe place. And yet, also, I’ve discovered, in my own time, in my own way, that part of my healing process was to actively engage with that dynamic of learning to trust in a way that was really safe, in the way that was really in alignment with my own intuition of who was appropriate to trust and how far. And I think that working with Rose flower essences, particularly the China Rose is the one that comes to mind for me first, which is one of my essences, it’s a beautiful pink Rose, that Roses have great boundaries, and they know how to protect themselves while being really open-hearted. And so, there’s this dynamic that can happen with someone who has been wounded, where they’re either holding a really reactive boundary and everybody just pushed them away, or somebody who has no boundaries and they think that’s the right thing to do, and then people just walk right over them.
And for those of us to learn to start to be more integrated humans, and in our bodies, and connecting to others, because that’s really where we grow, how do we do that dance? How do we maintain a healthy boundary to maintain our individuality, our own will, while also connecting with others? It’s a real dance, and there is a lot of healing to be done. So, I just don’t want to jump past the healing process into how awesome it is to be in community because I’m with you there. I’m like, this is the best thing since sliced bread, but I also recognize that it’s been a process for me; I think it’s probably been a process for you, too, of how do we do this dance? And when you learn how to do the dance, it’s great, we’re having fun, but learning to do the dance can be a little clunky at times.
Rochana Felde: You’re so right about that, and thanks for really bringing that in and making sure that it’s a part of this conversation because it’s really true. I mean, this is exciting for me right now because of all the work that I’ve already done. And earlier in my life, it may not have been appropriate. I think as an empath, before I worked on my own boundaries and learning to be more discerning of what’s mine and what’s not mine, groups were the worst place for me to be on all kinds of levels. And you know what? It’s not great for the group either.
And learning how to work with that and to have that discernment, obviously, Pink Yarrow is one that really comes to mind with those who have those empathic qualities that are sort of innate and are working with how to do that.
Kathleen Aspenns: One of the things that I remember being such a strong factor for me not wanting to be in groups was, like you’re saying, that porosity. I had a really strong ability, and still do, as that empath, where I’m feeling all the things that are going on in the room, and it’s very uncomfortable. And for a long time, I thought that was just how it was. I didn’t realize I could do something about it, and to be able to create that healthy boundary in my heart of picking up on the things that were appropriate for me to pick up on and letting everybody else own their own stuff, because I used to think it was all mine to solve.
And the Pink Yarrow, and really, honestly, we could widen it out into all the other different types of Yarrow essences because they all help to build our field. Not having a really strong, intact, healthy field makes it hard to be in community because there’s all of these intrusions that you’re going to feel when your field isn’t as strong as it can be. And creating the strongest possible field will help you to have that discernment about what’s a good space for you, and know when it’s the right time to leave and when it’s the right time to be there and to be a little more open and to be more present. There’s so much to do with working in community. It’s a really fascinating process of learning to trust.
I would like to bring in another essence that’s been part of my process. It’s Mallow from the Flower Essence Society. And Mallow is so helpful with maybe more about expecting that others can care. I mean, I was raised where I didn’t have any expectation that anybody else gave the tiniest darn about me, and they were probably trying to control me in some way. And to be able to soften a little bit into community, of expecting other people to actually care a little bit, and to maybe they’re worthy of being trusted, not that I’m completely plunging myself into things and throwing myself on people, but to kind of develop a little more give-take. And that’s been a real interesting development for me personally is to start to soften around that armoring that I have had in the past.
Rochana Felde: Well, what’s coming in for me right now is just Gold, because Gold helps with having that value of your own self, and that helps in a couple of different ways in this context, I think. And one is understanding that you have value, that what you say has value, what you think has value. And that can not only help with discernment for choosing where you want to share your experiences or speak, but also, once you’re in that place, once you’re in that group, to feel like what you have to say matters. There’s a lot of insecurity that comes with, well, being an empath. There’s a lot of insecurity that comes with a lot of the paths that many of us have walked in our lives. And when we’re on a healing journey, there’s a lot of insecurity. And so, there’s quite a few essences that can help with this aspect of it, but I kind of just like to start with that gem elixir that is just really grounding and warming, and has this feeling of warmth and belonging to it, and that grounding with your own personal value. And that can carry you really far in all sorts of places in life. But I think that this one might be a great base or foundation for essences to be used in this scenario.
Kathleen Aspenns: As you’re talking, I’m really feeling like bringing Pretty Face into this conversation. And this has been one that I’ve learned so much about working with Ruth Toledo Altschuler on some of our courses, and especially with the Botanical Families series. We’ve done some really deep dives into some of these essences. And I’d always thought of and maybe sort of very specific use cases for Pretty Face, where somebody feels that they’re not pretty, that they don’t like their appearance, they don’t like something about themselves, and as this work has really expanded my understanding of Pretty Face and how it is a relative of Star of Bethlehem, gave me a whole new insight into connecting with it because it’s so much bigger than appearance. As Star of Bethlehem does, it helps you to ground into your body as a safe place. It helps you to calm your nervous system. So, what if you’ve been told that you’re worthless? What if you’ve been told that you are ugly and disposable? Well, that’s Pretty Face right there. That is the healing quality of Pretty Face is helping you to connect to your internal perfection, like, “You weren’t born here wrong. You weren’t born here broken. That was put on you. That’s not who you are.” And so, for those who have a hard time accepting themselves and showing up as themselves, always trying to be someone different, never being able to be comfortable in who they are, and presenting with their uniqueness, this is the gift of Pretty Face.
I’ve been working with this with clients in some long-term and very beautiful ways because this essence creates a healing potential for something that, honestly, a lot of times, it isn’t even known because it’s so deeply embedded in the psyche and the spirit and the soul that they almost can’t even see it because they’ve embodied, or—Oh, what’s the word I’m looking for here?—it’s like it’s become so much part of you that you don’t even notice it was given to you, and it’s not true. Pretty Face is such an important essence to help to start to heal that. And it’s one that I really like to use in pretty long cycles, because when that’s been part of our experience, being able to clear that off the decks so that you can start showing up as who you actually are, it is so beautiful to see people emerging from the cocoon of this imprint that’s been put on them.
Rochana Felde: Pretty Face is one that I’ve not worked with that much, and I love the research that you and Ruth have been doing on it lately. It’s really bringing it more to my attention, and it just sounds amazing.
One that I’ve worked with a lot, and one of my favorites from Alaskan Essences is Alpine Azalea, and that one is working with when you have this sort of conditional self-acceptance about yourself. And I think I’ve resonated a lot with that one personally because it’s not like an overriding sense of self-doubt or low self-esteem. It’s just in certain areas. But yet, even so, those areas or those pieces of yourself that you don’t like, it really closes down your whole energy flow in your body, in your psyche, in your soul. And even though it’s not that you hate everything about yourself, you don’t want to hate anything about yourself, that little bit of dislike, of hate, of negative thoughts and feelings to yourself, is actually quite destructive. It stops everything. It stops the flow. It stops the healing. And I think that is really a task for me personally, for many of us, to sit and accept all the parts of ourselves, and open our hearts to all the parts of ourselves. So, I’d love Alpine Azalea for that. I think when we do that as well, it helps us with others. It helps us to have more tolerance and acceptance for other people, for other things that are happening around us.
Kathleen Aspenns: I agree, the value and the importance of Alpine Azalea, and I want to maybe expand it out just even a little bit more because I, too, think that it’s an incredibly useful and important essence in this principle, I’m going to go to the grounding of the Alpine Azalea as being a member of the Ericaceae family. And it’s a fascinating family of plants that grow in very specific environments. And a lot of them live in very acidic soils or in very nutrient-poor soils or where the nutrients are not available, and they have this wonderful connection with the mycorrhizal networks in order to survive and thrive in circumstances where others can’t.
And the first essence in this group that a lot of us might know is Heather, which is one of the Bach essences. And this is commonly described as being for somebody who has these needy qualities, some child-like qualities, where they tend to want a lot of attention and never really be able to be still in themselves. But what I’m seeing is this characteristic, and this is something that came to my attention from Julian Barnard’s work of making Heather, where he talked about being in this environment, it’s called a heath, where all this Heather is growing, and it just being one of the most peaceful experiences he’d ever had. And there’s a level of environmental essence to that, where it’s like, you’re in this entire environment immersed in this flower, immersed in this plant, and it causing your nervous system to relax and to settle.
And I think that the bridge between Alpine Azalea and Heather, and also, there’s lots of other beautiful Ericaceaes, which I don’t want to bring all of them in, but these two, it’s like, what if our set point of our nervous system, there’s this thrum of anxiety. It’s almost like that underlying anxiety of not being acceptable, not being enough, that you always had to perform, that you always had to have something that wasn’t just available. Just being able to drop in and relax and trust the environment, I think this is a big gift of the Alpine Azalea, because when you have a level of social anxiety or interactive anxiety, there’s this constant buzz going on, and you don’t feel okay in yourself. You don’t feel at ease, relaxed, comfortable. And I think that these members of this family, Heather and Alpine Azalea, can start to build this in our systems, where we can actually be present and at ease and not anxious. And there’s so much to being in that state when we are in community, like what would that be like if we could hold that safe space if we’re in a chosen community in a safe place? It’s, I think, part of the process, part of the journey.
Rochana Felde: I love that, and that work of feeling that sense of belonging on the planet, in nature, on Earth, that’s really kind of the first step, don’t you think? It’s part of the practice, and that is how you and I started, is we found our community with the plants. We found our community in nature. I found my community with the Redwoods. I found my place first with nature, and that is what allowed me to expand, to realize that, and to begin to accept that humans could be part of that as well. I think Redwood taught me a lot about that.
But another one that’s coming to mind is the Sweet Pea, and that feeling of home and belonging, wherever we are, not just at our home or where we live, but wherever we are, to be able to find a sense of belonging and safety is something that Sweet Pea can help, and in that, there is a coherence, a getting along with the others that are in that space as well.
Kathleen Aspenns: I’m glad you brought Sweet Pea in because it’s definitely part of the journey. It’s one that I use a lot of time for people who are relocating, and the community that they built in a location over a period of time is no longer available to them, and how do we recreate that in a new place? How do we connect with that, for somebody who’s maybe going to school and has to develop all new community, or moving house and has to develop community? But I think you’re absolutely right that it’s part of the process of feeling grounded and being able to reach out, because I hope that we are expressing this well enough that finding the way to peace in yourself, finding the way to feeling safe at home in nature in the world, is a really useful step towards maybe eventually feeling safe in a community. I think that if we skip that step, if we skip the need to be really grounded and as clear in ourselves as we can be, being perfectly imperfect humans, we don’t end up being drawn into toxic environments. If you aren’t clear in yourself, if you are easily manipulated, if your boundaries are really porous, there are a lot of people out there who are really happy to take advantage of that. And they might sound great at first, but oh my God, run girl, run.
So, it’s one of those things that once we start to really heal our inner experience, once we start to heal our wounds, and I know you and I, Ro, we’ve both found enormous healing with the flowers because they really give us a sense of home in ourselves, and they have helped us heal these wounds. And being able to do that work sort of almost on your own a lot, you can do that safely with the plants, and then you can start dipping your toes into interacting with humans in ways that are safe, supportive, and growthful. And wow, that’s a good experience when you can do that well.
So, I think that it’s not something that should be rushed. Not everybody does it serve immediately all the time. It’s not one-size-fits-all, but as we’ve been discovering, a lot of the folks on this journey with us of working with the flower essences for our personal growth, I mean, that’s where we started, was we got into flower essences because we really wanted something that would help us. I had a lot of wounds that I wanted to work on, and the flowers were there for me, and nature was there for me, and to help me.
And so, I would have been able to do a lot of that, but to do it completely alone is tough. It’s really hard to stay connected to a process. It’s really hard to feel seen. And that’s one of the things that we’re really devoted to at The School for Flower Essence Studies is to create an environment for us all to be able to grow and to feel connected to like-minded, like-souled individuals, because we’re all spread out. There may not be eight of you, eight like us in a geographic area. That’s been one of the most beautiful things about the era that we live in now, because we don’t have to be in the same city or in the same town like we used to, to be able to connect with people wherever they are, in not having to travel and not having to leave home. We can do this, we can connect with others in very safe and supported and boundaried ways right from the safety and security of your own home.
Rochana Felde: Yes, and that is so much why we are guided to create a soul circle, as we’re calling it, for those who want to do something like this, to be in a safe, private circle, to talk about experiences using flower essences. And this could be anyone who is maybe fairly new to using flower essences and is looking for validation and build a little bit of confidence with using the essences. It’s not a training. So, it’s something that we’re expecting people already have some essences and already have some, at least basic knowledge or experience in using them, but for those of us who do, all the way to those who are practitioners like us, we get this incredible value in having a group to talk to about our experiences because the nature of this work is never set in stone. Not only are the scenarios and situations that essences come up to work with us, absolutely unique and different for every individual, the plants themselves evolve, and our understanding of them evolves, our understanding of the essence forever evolves. And so, this work is ongoing. And then we, as souls, in human bodies, we’re constantly evolving and changing.
So, there’s nothing that’s like, you learn how to do it in a course, and then here’s the formula, and that’s the way it is for everything forever on after that. That’s not how flower essences work, and it’s not how healing works in general. So, we love putting this together in a way that is a place for our own explorations. And that really applies to all of us. And yeah, exactly, many of us who are actual flower essence practitioners, we got into this just to work on ourselves. That’s how we all started– maybe I can’t speak for everyone, but certainly many of us. And it’s an ongoing process. So, we may be helping others day in and day out in our practice, but we’re still working on ourself. We’re still using essences day to day for various things, from the most mundane, like Rescue Remedy scenario, to having formulas that are working on deep soul issues and ancestral healing, and whatever happens to be where we are in our lives. And having a place to talk about that, it’s a relief. It’s validating, and it’s amazing how it feels to be seen in this process, so we’re not just working silently and maybe writing in our journal, or even talking to others about it but those others aren’t going through the same thing, they’re not working in this way, so they might nod their head and say, “Oh, that’s interesting. That’s great that you’re doing that,” but it’s not the same as being in a circle of people who are also doing this work.
Kathleen Aspenns: Well, it’s something that we’ve been developing because we are finding that it’s really serving the community well. We have been offering for a year and change now, a mentoring group, where we have spaces, where we have separate meetings for practitioner development, where we can talk cases, both with people cases and animal cases, and also the aspect of building a business. It’s been a really useful and valuable thing, and I’m really grateful that you have so much experience in the nuts and bolts of things. So, we’ve been able to really serve our community with these groups, and we really felt called to open it a little more to those who want to have the experience of having a group that talks about our inner journey, because it’s all part of the process. And it might be an earlier part of the process to work on your inner soul journey, and it might be part of when you’re also wanting to build a business, working with other people.
So, our real inspiration for this was to create options and varied meetings and varied spaces for people with different needs and different wants. And I really love how we’re going to be able to offer that, like you were saying, or like you’ve been working on, creating this, essentially, a la carte option for those who might simply want that support of a community for their internal work and not want to have all the other stuff as well. And so, it’s just really tailoring, and we’re growing with you all. We’re really enjoying the connections and the community that’s being created. And that’s what we’re here for, is to serve this work, to serve this world, human heart healing. That’s why we’re here. And we really want to serve anyone who wants to be part of this, to be part of bringing flower essences into the world in a greater place, in a greater way, because the more of us who work on our own stuff, it’s not selfish to work on your own stuff, you’re healing yourself, but you’re also healing everybody you’re interacting with. It’s so important for all of us to be able to show up as healed as we can be in the moment. We’re all working on our stuff. And so, we really just want to be able to support people who may not be on the practitioner path yet, but are really interested in doing this internal soul work.
Rochana Felde: And for those who are on the practitioner path, this is another reason why this makes so much sense, this soul group, this group for working on our own stuff, basically, is because it’s just a natural part of what happens if you are trying to open a practice or build a business or work with clients, always things are going to come up that are either triggering or they are opening something up for bringing something in to work with. Perhaps it’s a fear of putting yourself out there in your business, or it is something that a client’s working with that’s bringing up something that is up with you, like there is this connection. You can’t separate and only look at these pieces of clients and business building without your own growth journey, because it is a growth journey to do these things, to do this work, that’s always a part of it. And so, now, we want to embrace that. We want to have a place for it. And to me, it’s closing a loop. We had these places, these spaces, these groups, but that sort of closes the loop and brings it all together. Really, it’s this underlying current that is part of it, but like you say, Kathleen, what is also good is that we can have it be a standalone. We can have this soul care group be a standalone. So, if you’re not on the practitioner path, you’re just somebody working with flower essences– not just somebody working with flower essences, but you’re somebody who’s working with flower essences, and we honor that so much. It’s not ever a push to become a practitioner. It’s always about honoring the personal journey of each individual.
Kathleen Aspenns: So, thank you for being with us. Thank you for being part of our community. You’re a podcast listener or a YouTube podcast watcher. We honor and appreciate you for being a member of the community. You’ve listened all this time. You’ve made it to the end. Thank you for being here with us. We really value and appreciate you. And we welcome you to join us, in whatever way works for you. If you’d like to be part of this soul circle, please check it out. Have a look, see if it fits in your life right now. And if not, there are other options that we have. We do a free monthly live chat gathering, which is such a wonderful space. We’ve been so delighted to start meeting some of you in this really casual, informal chat. We just had one this week, and it was just so much fun hearing from people who were just joining us for the first time, and they’ve been listening for some time, so that’s been really great. We really enjoy meeting you. So, whatever fits your life, whatever fits your needs and your wishes in this moment, you are welcome, we appreciate you, and we hope to see you sometime in the future.
Rochana Felde: Thank you, everybody, so much. We really appreciate your listenership and your support, as Kathleen said, in any way that makes sense. And just your witnessing of us and what we’ve been doing on the podcast, how it’s grown, we really value that. Thank you.
