FEP25 Our Favorite Books

Tune in for a lighthearted discussion of Kathleen and Rochana’s favorite flower essence books. We talk about books that have been influential in our development as flower essence practitioners and makers, and share our recommendations for those who wish to learn more about flower essences.

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Show Transcript


Kathleen Aspenns:
[00:00:43] Hi, everyone. It’s good to be back. Ro and I are going to be talking about our favorite books today. We really both enjoy reading about Flower Essences and have developed our own libraries with different books that we really enjoy. We thought we’d sit together and talk about them a little bit. There’s lots of ways to learn about flower essences, and certainly we would never be without the actual personal experience of meeting the plants. But you can learn a lot from books, and you can learn a lot about how to practice flower essence therapy, and a lot about the history of flower essences, from the books that are out there. So we thought we’d dive on in.

Rochana Felde: [00:01:23] Yeah, sounds great. I know that we can talk about our favorite books for hours, so that’s why it’ll be pretty easy, I think, to do a whole episode on this and still run out of time.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:01:35] No doubt there’s gonna be plenty to talk about. We don’t want to do an exhaustive treatment, because at some point we’re going to talk about how we learned about flower essences and talk about our training and and our experiences with flower essences. But I think today we’re just going to tackle the book side of that topic and dive on in.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:01:54] I think I would like to start with one of my favorite books, and one of my favorite authors about flower essences, Julian Barnard. He is the creator of the Healing Herbs brand of Flower Essences, which are really dutiful to Dr. Bach’s work. And he has a direct lineage to the teaching of Dr. Bach. And I think that that’s pretty important. And he has certainly proven himself to be a faithful steward of Dr. Bach’s legacy and has amazing insights on the original Bach Essences. My favorite book, that I first started with, was Bach Flower Remedies Form and Function, although he has a number of books out there. But the form and function book is really amazing in the depths of the research that he’s done on each and every essence and the aspects about where the plants grow and what they look like. And the history, you know, what he’s come up with about Dr. Bach’s creation of them. I think this is a book that’s on your list too, isn’t it?

Rochana Felde: [00:03:03] Yeah, well, actually, I do like that book, but the one that I used more in the beginning, before I got that book, was The Healing Herbs of Edward Bach. And the thing that I like about it is the color pictures. So that really helped me get to know the Bach flowers a little bit better. You know, when I first learned about Bach flowers, like, as many people, walking the health food stores.. And it was in the 1990’s, and they used to have those little fold out pamphlets where it had this, you know, questionnaire to find out which flower remedy you needed. And I still have one from, from those old days. It’s somewhere. Yeah.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:03:54] I think we all have those tucked away somewhere.

Rochana Felde: [00:03:56] You know, that that was like magic finding that, you know, it was just this little, secret, hidden, health food store thing. And it really got me excited about flower essences. Way, way back in the day. But because, you know, some of those flowers are local. You know, that you could find here in the States, but others aren’t so common. And so when I finally found a Bach flowers book that had pictures and talked a bit about more of the plant, I was just really excited to see those pictures. And so that’s one of the reasons that this book helped me understand the Bach flowers a little bit better.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:04:41] Yeah, I completely agree that Julian Bernard has done a lot of work towards taking the Bach flowers out of the “little brown bottle” section and actually teaching people how they’re made, and how they could make their own, and and connecting them to the plants and not just “buy the product” let’s say.

Rochana Felde: [00:05:04] And we should mention the Web site because he has all of that training online. He has a lot of the form and function information on his Bach flower education website. I can’t remember the url, but we’ll put it in the show notes. And there’s recordings from different people that were involved in it. So it’s just an excellent, excellent resource.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:05:31] How cool. I know I saw some stuff with Nikki Murray, who is his teacher. And I saw, I think there’s a DVD even. Searching for Cerato or Seeking Cerato? Something like that, that I think that he has some input from Nikki Murray in that content. But it was really cool because of that heritage. Dr Bach taught Nora Weeks, and then Nora Weeks taught Nikki Murray. And then Nikki Murray taught Julian Barnard. So there’s that direct transmission of this heritage, which is really cool.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:06:09] I’m glad we both came at it from the same angle. We didn’t have this conversation before we turned on the recording. So it’s kind of interesting to hear what your origin story was with the Bach essences.

Rochana Felde: [00:06:23] I mean, I literally remember the health food store in Novato, California. And going there on my lunch hour. And I think I when I found that, I just sat on the floor and read and I was, you know, just enthralled by it.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:06:42] Yeah, that was really exciting. Just, the doors start to open for you. You’re like, there’s all this! There’s this whole thing, this whole type of healing that, you know, none of my friends knew about it. Nobody I knew knew anything about it. It was just sort of this discovery. And you just get, you know, sucked right in, all these different essences, like, “what is that one about?” And I remember thinking for years, like, “oh, I’ll never be able to learn all of these”. And now it’s like.. It’s just the start. All right. So little by little, don’t worry. You’ll learn them all yourself, eventually. And the FES, was that the next your next step on things that you were learning? So you had the FES Repertory.

Rochana Felde: [00:07:28] Yeah. And I still have my old one. The bindings coming off. It’s not even the spiral one. It’s like before that. And yeah, that’s been the Bible pretty much. For most people. So that carried me through for a long time until I really, you know, branched out from that from those teachings. How about you?

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:07:55] Yeah. For sure, I really love what FES brings. The Flower Essence Society, FES for short. So, the Flower Essence Society is a company that’s based in Nevada City, California. And as an organization, they’ve done incredible research over decades, of all of these plants that are native to mostly to the western part of the northern hemisphere. A lot in California, obviously, but they are all around, and the Essences are beautifully researched. And you know that the quality that they bring to the work, it’s not a fly by night situation at all. And so their information is always really solid. And I trained initially with the Alaskan Essences company, but also attended the Flower Essence Society’s practitioner course and was very impressed by the quality of education that they offer. So the repertory is also a really great place to start learning about the different essences, to learn about different uses of the essences. And I think the repertory that’s in the market right now doesn’t have as much information as you will find if you become a member. And I think they have a lot available online as well, about the actual nuts and bolts of working with essences.

Rochana Felde: [00:09:34] Yeah. The beginning chapters of the repertory book are just packed with great information. I really appreciate the history and the view that they bring to it. But the repertory, the cross referencing of the social issues, and then the monographs for each of the essences is really invaluable. And it’s one that I’ve always used. When I worked at an herb shop, you know, I pointed them to this book multiple times a day. So it’s a great one to have for people wanting to look at the social issues and not really needing to know anything much else about flower essences. Once they start looking through that book and seeing their issue, and the different explanations of why you would choose one essence, for example, nervousness versus another? It really makes a lot of sense to people without having any training. But then once you do have the training, it’s still just as valuable. I mean, I do use it all the time.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:10:59] Well, the work that they did to create that differentiation in those listings – what the issue is, that each essence is described in relationship to that particular type of the issue. So it’s very specific where you can kind of go down the list and go, OK. This type of nervousness that I might have. I’ve got it in this type. You know, this is when it happens or these are the circumstances under which I feel nervous. And so you can be much more precise in your application of essences by using something like a repertory in this case particularly. It’s a great repertory. Yeah. I’m a big fan. That one has gotten a lot of use for sure.

Rochana Felde: [00:11:45] Yeah, I love all the books that have cross references and that kind of thing. So there’s a few others on both of our lists that do that and we’ll mention it. It’s really, really helpful to have that.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:12:05] Yes, I agree. And I’d love to talk next, because we’re talking about “the classics” and the standards, the Bach and the FES essences. But I really love this book Bach Flower Remedies for Animals. And I’ll put the link in in the show notes as well. The authors are Helen Graham and Gregory Vlamis. Hopefully I’ve said that correctly. This is a really solid book on helping animals with flower essences. I’ve had this book for a very long time. It was one of the original ones that I thought really handled the topic very, very well and actually was coming from a place of knowing quite a bit about animals and being able to to transfer those qualities of what the essences are all about into what the animals are going to display, the signs that you might be able to notice, that you could then apply the right essence. So I’m a big fan of these authors. I think they also have another one on dogs, but this one is a broader “all animals” book. And working with animals with essences is so great. But boy, if you’re looking at the general FES repertory and you’re like, I’m not sure where to start because we’re talking about social issues, it’s like I’m not sure how to translate that into applications with animals. This is a good place to go.

Rochana Felde: [00:13:27] Yeah, I don’t have that. And I’ll have to look into that one you mentioned for dogs. Good. I have a different one for working with pets. It’s the Flower Essence Remedies by Jessica Bear. I did the same thing when I first started using Flower Essences with my dog. You know, it was hard to do that translation, that human animal translation and this really helped me do that. And also, not only that, it gave me insights for ways of using those essences with people, just those sort of basic emotional and instinctive things that all sorts of animals have. You know, it translates better going up the chain. I guess you could say, then down the chain.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:14:18] Oh, I’m so glad you mentioned that. I couldn’t agree more. It’s so right, isn’t it? I mean, when you start looking at kind of the basic prosocial mammal, you’re dealing with a lot of the same issues. We’re not that unique people. All kinds of animals have these same issues. And, like you say, when you can look at an animal and determine, oh, what are they going through? You actually recognize even more clearly how that will show up in a human. We can put a lot of language and verbiage on the top of it. But actually what’s inside is happening. It’s the same thing.

Rochana Felde: [00:14:54] Pretty basic in some cases.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:14:55] Almost all the time. We’re not that complicated. We think we are. But, you know. So, yeah, that’s really cool. I have discovered the same thing. So it’s fun to hear that you did too. What’s your next pick? 

Rochana Felde: [00:15:13] Well, of course, you know, we’re going through the classics. And this is an out of print book, The Essence of Healing by Steve Johnson. But all of this information is on their online repertory, which is, you know, a one time fee for an incredible amount of information. What great about this is the repertory in the back that lists the social issues and the different aspects of the different social issues. And I think that’s really helpful, as well as the pictures, because a lot of those flowers are not common to where we are. And I actually have their cards as well. So you can get a really beautiful way of looking through the flowers from a visual standpoint with their deck of cards.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:16:08] My gosh. Yes. And you’ll find that under what they call the living book. And that was really one of Steve’s major projects that he completed before he passed a few years ago. And he is much missed. But, boy, the living book was just a brilliant idea. I’d never heard of it before. And like you say, it’s really a very modest fee and you have lifetime access and especially those images. He was such a gifted photographer and his images of the flowers and the gems, they just absolutely sing to you. They’re just so vibrant. And to be able to access that on your screen, to be able to really dial into the energy of the plant or the gem. It’s amazing. And I forgot about the cards. I wasn’t even thinking about the cards. Yeah, I’ve got them, too. They’re great.

Rochana Felde: [00:17:02] I don’t really use these cards that much for divination or picking essences? But to just really look through and see the visual of the flower calling out to me?

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:17:18] Well, I think that both of us, we tend to do all of our client work remotely. So they make a lot of sense when somebody is working in the office and they can pull a card that can see what they’re really attracted to. So they’re probably more actively used by somebody who’s doing work that way. But also, just so you know, for the listeners, the FES has full sets of cards of all of their essences, as does Healing Herbs have a beautiful set of cards. So a lot of the companies have done that because there are ways of working with essences and choosing essences, because a valid way of working with essences is to select cards, whether letting it be a divination process, or whether an attraction, repulsion process of looking at the images and like, “oh, I hate the look of that”. Well, that might be something to work with, but I  have also used the cards, those Alaskan cards, as an overlay for a tarot spread. And it was really interesting where you could bring different modalities together in that way. I don’t know if you’ve ever played with them as an overlay.

Rochana Felde: [00:18:35] I have different spreads and different cards. Yeah, so cool.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:18:44] So much fun – we haven’t had that conversation about divination and it’s like we’re both on the same track so often. It’s so funny.

Rochana Felde: [00:18:53] Well oftentimes what I’ll do is lay out the cards for the essences that I think are appropriate for a client and then I’ll use a pendulum over them to narrow it down. That helps me narrow my choices down or I’ll just have them in my hand and be playing with them while I’m on the phone with the client. And stuff just kind of resonates and pops out. And in that case, I’ll bring out multiple different decks. And then I have my own index cards of all my essences that I use like a deck. So there are all sorts of ways to work with these rather than just opening a page in a book. And sometimes that tactile and visual element brings a lot to the table to help with recognizing the flowers that are calling out.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:19:57] Yeah, totally. And I think that makes a nice little segue into Cynthia Athina Kemp Shearer’s book on the Art and Technique of Using Flower Essences, because this is such a good book for teaching you a way of working with essences. It’s not the way. There are so many ways. But I really like her perspective and approach. And her approach developed really organically because she first started making essences without even knowing what essences were.  She’s one of the pioneers in the modern era of Flower Essences. And just literally the plants told her what to do and she started making essences. She didn’t have any interaction with people making essences for a long time. So she’s developed some ways that are very uniquely hers. And I really like particularly her focus on creating an intention to help you select essences. And that’s something that I started out doing when I started practicing. And I’ve done it all the way through. I  pretty much always work with a client to create some sort of an intention statement, whether it’s ornate or very, very simple, like a word. And I find it really helps to clarify the focus of a formula and helps it resonate with the person who’s taking it over the course of the period of taking the essence. They keep checking in with “what’s my intention?” That’s my intention. And it helps to connect the essences in to what we’re asking for them to do. Is that a book that you’ve read? Are you familiar with her?

Rochana Felde: [00:21:39] Yeah, well, I only just bought it recently, so I have skimmed it and I haven’t gotten too in-depth. But yeah, you know, you and I took that class last fall with her and that’s where I bought it. So I’m excited to learn more about her line and her teachings and I have some of her essences now. So I definitely resonate with her approach. Everything that she said, I’ve very much agreed with. And yeah, she’s got a big book, big repertory type book that also looks amazing. I don’t know if you have that one. Yeah, they just reprinted it from what I read on her newsletter. So that’s definitely on the wish list.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:22:28] Yeah. She’s got quite a few publications available. I referred to her main book on her Desert Alchemy Essences and I have that. I have a very sad old copy with all the pages falling out. But I also have it on the Kindle version, and I keep that on my desktop. A lot of the time to refer to it because it’s got a really good search feature, which is really nice. And then, you know, pictures and stuff. But she also has an individual repertory that’s separate. It’s a separate book that’s a really worthwhile repertory. You know, lots of in-depth information on each essence as it applies to a particular issue. So I really appreciate that. Rather than just a regurgitation of the stock label. You look just like the two lines of what the essence is about. She really delves into what each one is like in this context. So I appreciate the depth of work that she puts into her essences in her books, her writing.

Rochana Felde: [00:23:33] I like that you brought up getting the Kindle version so that you can do searches. Because I definitely did that with and I have an older version of the book of the new Encyclopedia of Flower Remedies by Claire Harvey. And there’s a much bigger, more in-depth version that I bought as a Kindle, just precisely for that reason, just so that I could do searches. And this book has a really good intro, at least the later version, a lot like the FES repertory, it really goes in-depth about the philosophy of flower essence use and using it with clients. But then the rest of the book and bulk of it is almost like a combination of all the others. The repertory is from all the big makers. So it has all the Alaskan’s listed and all the FES listed. And then it has other other companies like Hawaiian Gaia Flower Essences. And it breaks it all down by the different part of the world that they’re from. So there’s essence producers in here that, you know, I had never heard of before. I got this book and it’s very interesting to see the different explanations maybe for even the same flower, but by the different makers. And, you know, it’s in the back. It has one of those comprehensive indexes that breaks things down by social issues. So doing that Kindle search, you can get a kind of a really good feel for what a flower essence is about. And I use this more when I’m researching after I’ve made a flower essence. So after I’ve made a flower essence and I don’t research before, I do the attunement with the plant. But afterwards, when I go to see and kind of check,  what I received, is that the same as what other people did. Right. The first thing I do. Am I crazy or is there something to this? And so this is a great one for getting that kind of quick hit of what do other producers have say about their flower essences. And I’ll find sometimes you can do that with a Google search. But, you know, I’ll find things in here that I just don’t find by doing that on an Internet browser.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:26:27] Yeah, it is. I mean, I think that’s a really interesting concept. The idea that different people working in different parts of the world are all around the world, are making the same species of the same plant and getting the same message mostly, but coming from a different angle. Right? There’s a real difference of individuality, of the maker starting to come into it, and perhaps the ecosystem starts to come into it a little bit more. So it’s very interesting. And hopefully it should be that the rough message is more or less the same. If it’s not, then then you look at it like, I’m not sure that person’s dialed into the frequency I’m on, let’s say.

Rochana Felde: [00:27:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:27:16] Another book that I’d love to talk about just a little bit has been really influential for me. It’s called Flower Essences and Chinese Medicine by Pablo Noriega and translated into English by Loey Colbeck, who’s a great practitioner. And the influence of Spain – the level of training and education there is crazy high. It’s so impressive how professional the practitioners are and the level of education available. And this particular book, I just love for creating a bridge, essentially between Bach Flower Therapy and Chinese Medicine and talking about the different elements that flower essences and Chinese Medicine indications come together. So coming at it from the angle of my education in learning about Chinese Medicine and acupressure for horses, and being able to see those patterns, those emotional patterns, and seeing, oh, OK, yes, that’s where it fits into, say, a Spleen pattern that this particular essence, which I might not have thought of otherwise, but it really fits in if I overlay with that. And I’ve just loved working with people now, adding those insights into the essence blends with them and finding really cool results from using the indications are from this book.

Rochana Felde: [00:29:02] Yeah, I actually have that book as well, but I really haven’t used it that much since I haven’t delved into the Chinese Medicine aspect. And you know, I’ve been studying Ayurveda, so I’ve just been off in a different direction. But I know that it’s a really highly respected book.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:29:20] Yeah, it’s a lot of information to onboard for sure. It’s not like you can just pick up Chinese medicine in a week. No, it’s really complex. But once you start getting your brain trained in that direction, it starts to make a lot more sense. So I think it’s really worthwhile. And it’s a very interesting perspective. But it’s certainly not the first place I would send anybody to learn about essences. But if you have any background with Chinese Medicine, you might get really excited about reading it, or you don’t even have to have a background in Chinese Medicine to read the book. It holds itself together, but it is a lot to grok for sure.

Rochana Felde: [00:30:01] And since you brought up the Chinese Medicine aspect, I mean, I guess I wanna give a shout out to our friend Deborah Craydon, who wrote Floral Acupuncture. And that is a really unique take on using the Bach flower essences topically on the different meridians and points. And it’s got great color pictures that are well illustrated with where those points are. So that’s a lovely reference. And she does teach that topical application and as well, working with The Bach Flower Body Maps by Dietmar Kramer. And this is another unique topical application book that lays out the whole body with a system of maps and correlates that with the applicable Bach flower remedy. And so I did take that class of hers and experimented a little bit. I don’t, you know, do topicals as I just do the virtual consults. But I have experimented with it myself and, you know, it had some powerful effects.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:31:25] That’s it, one of those things, especially when you’re getting started with essences, is to learn from as many different sources as you can. And then you’ll develop your own style and your own techniques along the way. You don’t have to necessarily try to reconcile everybody’s opinion or all these different styles into one. In a way it’s really kind of interesting to see how different people are getting fabulous and beautiful results in all these different fashions. So, yeah, I’ve read those books as well. And and every once in a while I’m working with somebody and think “hmm I think I should look that up”. “You know, tell me where this weird thing is happening for you” and then I’ll pull out the body maps and take a look and, you know, it’s another little piece of data that you can add in. I hope everyone is really enjoying it is fully in spring here. And so my birds are going nuts. You’re hearing from the canary and the gray parrot and boy, yeah, it’s spring. Everybody’s having a big time here. The sun is shining. So those were the flower essence  books that I know and love. Are there another one or two that you want to talk about?

Rochana Felde: [00:31:25] I’ve got so many more.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:32:43] Well, I didn’t bring up my entire library, but I just wanted to add the big ones, the ones where I think “aah, I love these books”.

Rochana Felde: [00:32:52] Yeah. Let me let me talk about Flower Readings. This book is by Suzy Chiazzari. I don’t know if that’s how you say her last name. This made a big impact on me. It talks about flower psychometry and how picking flowers, either like a picture or the card or outside can give you so much insight into what you’re going through. And in the process of explaining that, she really lays out different meanings of the patterns of the petals, the colors, their growth habits, their plant family. So all of these lovely correlations that I love to look at and think about flowers and flower essences. It just really resonated with me because I think of them that way already. That’s a really lovely book as well.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:34:00] Cool. I mean, there are so many and there’s a lot of overlap in the world of plant medicine and spirit healing. And that would bring up the one that’s not a Flower Essence book. But this guy, he’s the awesomest. The Secret Teachings of Plants by Stephen Buhner. And he is just so cool. I am just gobsmacked by his insights and his… He’s just a really smart thinker and a very intuitive person. He brings outer research together with inner research. And boy, it’s just such a cool book I guess I have to explain a little bit. He has a huge segment on the intelligence of the heart. And that’s really the essence of this book, about heart perception as being a form of intelligence, as a form of intuition even. And he brings in a lot of research that’s been done on the heart itself, the organ and then also as an organ of perception. And then he brings in this whole poetic angle and this philosophical angle. And he’s such a beautiful writer. He’s very intentional with his words. And I just admire his writing style so much.

Rochana Felde: [00:35:32] Yeah, I agree. I have a lot of his books because he’s a herbalist first. Right. So he has a lot of books on herbs and also the Secret Teachings of Plants, and Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal Realm. And he’s a wonderful writer. Definitely a good one. The Plant Spirit Healing by Pam Montgomery is another one along the same realm of plant communication. But I also wanted to bring up the Gurudas book. So this is a channeled book. And it can be a little esoteric for some. But Flower Essences and Vibrational Healing by Gurudas is a classic in the field. And what I like about it most is the charts in the back. So there are flower essences that correlate with psychological states and diseases and physical parts of the body. And then there’s these comprehensive charts in the back. And I think that it’s really nice for just like a quick “hey, what’s another idea? Ok, I’ve looked it up in the FES repertory. I’ve looked it up in different places. What’s the information coming from Gurudas, from  the channel.” And that can help validate and clarify things for me sometimes. And I like that.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:37:15] Cool. Sounds interesting. Well, I think we haven’t exactly emptied the bookshelves. But we’ve brought out some of our top 10 let’s say. These are the ones that we  probably evacuated with.. I don’t know the number of books that I took in my car with me when I needed to evacuate. The last several times.

Rochana Felde: [00:37:42] I just took all my journals. That was my important thing. But I did want to say one more, please. Just a shout out to David Dalton, The Stars of the Meadow book. Because he was one of my teachers and I know one of yours too. And what I appreciate the most about it is that he works with some herbs that are the more standard medicinal herbs. And of course, you know, that resonates with me. And he also has a great repertory in the back. But what I think makes him stand out is he’s really got a practical mindset. So it’s a really practical guide for using flower essences and sometimes more in the realm of working with physical conditions. So that’s an aspect you don’t get from a lot of the other books.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:38:42] Yeah. And once again, it’s it’s different perspectives on different things. And so when you want to learn about essences, you start checking in with different people. And everyone has really quite different ways of working, and very different perspectives. So it just depends on what you’re attracted to and who you are working with. You know, you’re gonna have a different client base, right? Everybody has a different client base and they’re gonna be drawn to different ways of working, in different styles. So it’s a beautiful rainbow colored world, isn’t it?

Rochana Felde: [00:39:14] What a fun episode.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:16] Yes. We’ve had a good time, haven’t we? Playing with our books, showing off our books.

Rochana Felde: [00:39:20] You know, it’s just too nice to just not talk about the pandemic for a while.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:26] Boy, yeah, it’s been it’s been a crazy couple months and I don’t know about you, but I’ve had a little more time that I’ve been able to spend with my books and spending a little time learning things between, you know, freaking out and taking my flower essences.

Rochana Felde: [00:39:40] Yeah.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:42] Well, thank you so much. I’m really glad we did this today. This is a fun little topic. A light little topic. And until next time, we’re really grateful for all of our audience members, for listening to us. We really enjoy sharing this time with you. It’s really lovely to have this time with you. And we would just adore having any reviews you might offer us. If you scroll down to the bottom of the screen on the Apple podcast app, you can give us some stars. That’ll be really cool, it helps other people find us. And that’s really the thing we want to have people know more about flower essences. So we want to share this information with more people because, my gosh, if the world didn’t need flower essences before, it really needs them now. So thank you so much for being with us.  See you next time.

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