FEP11 Family and the Holidays

Not everyone has warm and easy holiday gatherings. Lots of us have challenging family relationships, stressful travel, and uncomfortable gatherings ahead. We’d like to help smooth your way with Flower Essences so you can be your best self even if you are having all your buttons pushed.

Flower Essences discussed during the show:

Resources and Suggestions:

Matthew Wood‘s book The Book of Herbal Wisdom

8 Ways to Use Pine Needles (make pine needle tea) – The Herbal Academy

Show Transcript

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:00:42] Hi, I’m Kathleen Aspenns, and Rochana and I today are going be talking about getting ready for the holidays. Thanksgiving is nearing on us and a lot of us are going to be traveling and spending some time with our families. And we thought that we’d bring up some of the topics that are likely to come up when we spend time with our families. There’s oftentimes an awful lot of history going on there and a lot of button pushing and we can fall back into patterns. Thank goodness we have flower essences to help us with these things because boy, families, they’re a bit fraught, aren’t they, Ro? [00:01:17][35.4]

Rochana Felde: [00:01:19] Absolutely. We get to have all our buttons pushed and be on the spot for being on our best behavior at the same time. Right?  [00:01:30][10.5]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:01:31] The button pushing thing is so funny because it’s it’s always so amazing how, especially if we don’t spend a lot of time with our family on a regular basis, we can forget how we revert back to these old patterns of being. And all of a sudden it’s been ages since that particular button got pushed in. Hello, there it goes again. And it’s just kind of amusing because, well, you know, our family, they did install our buttons after all. [00:01:54][23.5]

Rochana Felde: [00:01:54] Yeah, it catches me by surprise sometimes. It’s so funny. You know, we think, those of us on the self-help and self healing paths, you know, we’ve done a lot of work a lot of times in this area, especially, we’ve been working with trauma and healing the past. And, you know, it surprises me sometimes how easy it is to get triggered and right back into the into childhood when we’re in certain circumstances, especially during the holidays. [00:02:32][37.4]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:02:33] No kidding. There’s nothing like all of a sudden being tossed in with your family or, you know, extended family or close nuclear family. And all of a sudden you start acting like a kid again. What is up with that? [00:02:45][11.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:02:46] Yeah, and especially with siblings. I mean, I am the oldest of six and we have quite large family gatherings. And it’s great. You know, we have great relationships. But, you know, the old patterns easily come into play as well. [00:03:01][15.8]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:03:01] It sure is a chance to check in with your growth and to sort of see places that maybe you’ve missed and start to recognize. Oh, there it is. Look at me doing that again. [00:03:13][11.3]

Rochana Felde: [00:03:14] Yeah, it’s great. It is a good way to kind of step back and observe yourself if you can. And you just really can see how these things evolved in our psyches. And when you step back and you’re able to have that perspective. But how do we maintain and how do we get there? How do we get to that, having that perspective, if we’re ourselves stressed from the holidays, getting together, making it happen during at a busy time, and a lot of times there’s all sorts of hoops we have to jump through to get those family gatherings together. And there’s so much work to do. You know, if it’s getting together for Thanksgiving or something where there’s a lot of food to cook and, you know, it’s a lot to plan. And then we have the season getting colder and maybe our immune system isn’t up to par. So there’s a lot of things that hit us during the winter season and when the holidays start to happen and tensions are definitely high. If we’re at jobs and working that we’re trying to get deadlines done in order to go on vacation. You know, it’s all coming together. It’s very stressful. And then we’re put in to the dinner table situation or whatever the gathering is with with all of our family. And some of us may not have the same views, political, religious and that we’re dealing with food and there might be disagreements about food beliefs. That happens in my family. And so it gets interesting. And flower essences are some of the things that I know you and I both turned to to deal with with these scenarios. So what are some of the things that you like to work with? [00:05:14][120.2]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:05:16] Oh, my gosh. Yes. You’ve brought up so many topics like… Oh, yes, and that one, too. I think that one of the first things to think about whenever you’re traveling or whenever you’re kind of out of your routine, definitely keep some sort of a rescue or crisis formula on hand. Keep it handy because, like we’re saying, nothing brings out, you know, your not your best self as exhaustion and travel and being compressed into a little tube or driving for long distances and then doing a lot of work or something like that in order to get ready for everything. So having a bottle of rescue remedy, having Soul Support, I think it’s really useful. Any of the rescue type of crisis formulas are really worthwhile to have handy. [00:06:10][54.1]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:06:11] And then we can get into some of the things that are maybe more specific. There’s that saying about, you know, all all happy families are the same and all dysfunctional families are different in different ways. So it’s sort of hard to say, “OK. This is the flower essence for challenging family stuff.” Because everyone has something different. However, Holly is always a good starting point. That’s one of the first ones I think of any time you’re having to interact with other people because Holly helps you connect to your heart and to the love you have for somebody else, past the frustration that you might have on the personality level. So you can recognize, “OK. I really love this person. Even if their political views might not be mine or whatever conflicts we may have, we can still connect to sort of a higher sense of love of this. This person is important to me in some way and I’m going to try to find a bridging ground.” Holly is also really great for the sibling rivalry that will pop up sometimes around attention or this parent or this sibling is spending more time with this person and I’m feeling left out. You know, Holly, it’s a it’s a polychrest remedy, meaning it it has a broad range of uses. So I think Holly is a good starting point. [00:07:43][91.4]

Rochana Felde: [00:07:43] I like that a lot. And I was just thinking how interesting it is that Holly is used for decorations for holiday decoration. [00:07:51][7.9]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:07:54] It came in the house for a reason, helping out and also Pine. We could talk about Pine too, because that’s clearly another holiday-centric item. [00:08:03][9.6]

Rochana Felde: [00:08:05] You know, the pine trees and pine boughs on the mantel places. And Pine essence, you know, really helping those feelings of guilt or not feeling good enough. And then also just the support. I mean, I look at the pine tree as a tree that offers so much to humanity. I mean, we build our, you know, structures with it, houses and all sorts of things with the wood and the needles are full of vitamin C for our immunity. You can make pine needle tea. You can do that any time of the year. It’s an evergreen. And so it has that real strengthening aspect, I think, and that feeling of of being supported. I like to look at it that way, along with the more traditional, you know, Bach ways of using it. But I just I love the support that I feel from it, when I’m outside working with that tree. [00:09:06][61.6]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:09:07] And I would just throw a safety note in there. Don’t use the trees that are maybe Christmas trees that might have been sprayed. [00:09:12][4.7]

Rochana Felde: [00:09:13] Oh, yeah, yeah. I’m talking about definitely in the wild. [00:09:15][2.7]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:09:17] Yes. Just, you know, throwing out there just in case somebody thought, well, I’ll try this. But please do. But just be sure to know that your tree has not been sprayed. [00:09:26][9.0]

Rochana Felde: [00:09:26] Yeah. And it’s high in vitamin C that it actually you make your mouth pucker and it kind of makes its a little too intense for me personally. It can make my throat a little scratchy, but a lot of people do like it. It’s a survival tea, you know, if you are out stuck in the woods or something. [00:09:42][15.6]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:09:44] Interesting. I didn’t know about that aspect of pine. Pine is one of the essences that absolutely was one of my very first explorations into flower essences. It made such an impact in my life. I was just full of feelings of of guilt and self-loathing from experiences from childhood, being told there was something wrong with me and, you know, the inherent aspects of of being female in a male dominated culture and taking Pine just absolutely… It completely changed my life. It completely took away all of these horrible feelings like I was just broken and damaged and worthless. And I worked with it very intensively as a single essence for a period of a couple months. And it just absolutely shifted that whole issue. So many of us, as we come into holidays, we start to re-engage in some of these really old issues. And shame is such a huge issue. A lot of us were raised with shame used as a behavioral management technique. Keeps them quiet. Keeps the kids behaving when we shame them into silence. And it’s so toxic. And Pine really helps with that. I would really recommend if that’s if that’s an issue that you’re you’re working with and engaging with, give Pine a try. [00:11:20][95.9]

Rochana Felde: [00:11:21] Absolutely. Shame is so embedded in family dynamics. So I like what you’re saying with women in society as well. That guilt and shame. It’s amazing how much of it we just carry, without even realizing it. So do you feel like Pine helps balance for women with a more masculine sort of confidence? [00:11:52][30.8]

[00:11:54] I’m thinking that it’s interesting because if you’re if you’re thinking about Pine as being a more masculine energy, I think that any essence has a huge scope in which it can work. They can each do so much more than the little description that you might read or or find in a booklet. So I do think that that it can connect to that masculine part of you and help it come into harmony. Is that what you’re thinking?  [00:12:25][31.3]

Rochana Felde: [00:12:26] Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking that, and that it may, in addition, help with relationships with the father, because, you know, a lot of that feeling of not being good enough comes from criticism, not just from the father, but that can happen a lot. So yeah, I do agree that that’s where I where I go with thinking about Pine is more than just the little description. I feel like there’s so much more to it that we could explore with its energy. [00:13:04][38.0]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:13:06] There’s so much more to every essence. When you’re talking about that father figure aspect, and challenges with the father, there’s a couple essences that I absolutely go to. Baby Blue Eyes by the Flower Essence Society is kind of the classic archetypal “father trouble” essence. So anytime there’s been a distortion in that relationship, distortion in that experience, whether it was from a harsh, unloving father or a father who was abusive or just wasn’t a good father in a lot of ways, Baby Blue Eyes can help to heal your relationship to the masculine archetype and heal, whether it involves the actual human that was your father or not. It helps heal that situation within you on a really deep level. It’s a really big essence, and if you have some real challenges with your father, start taking it some time before you go and actually encounter that person in person because it can bring up a lot of stuff. [00:14:27][81.4]

Rochana Felde: [00:14:29] And Sunflower with that big yellow flower. We’ve talked about Sunflower in the confidence episode. And it relates to the third chakra, of will, your self esteem. But because it has that father energy that it helps with in again, with the poor relationship with the father, especially when there’s low self-esteem. Or the converse is also true, with an overly inflated ego. [00:15:02][33.7]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:15:05] Because those are just two sides of the same coin, right? [00:15:07][2.1]

Rochana Felde: [00:15:08] Yes imbalance in that in that third chakra. [00:15:11][3.9]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:15:13] Yeah, I think of Sunflower, especially with clients who’ve had an overshadowing, overbearing father, where they never were allowed to see the sunlight because dad was always sort of stomping them right back down when they started to show themselves. Whenever they started to bloom and grow. And it’s not unusual that the father was so insecure that he felt threatened by the kids or by a particular child. And in that case, Sunflower can be very helpful to find your way to a strong backbone and stand up for yourself and to shine in your own radiance rather than constantly checking yourself because you’re always feeling like somebody is going to come and step on you. I think Saguaro Cactus is also a really important element in this issue of authority, because a lot of times the male is the authority. Not always, of course, but it can certainly be the case that the authority figure relationship gets distorted. And Saguaro Cactus, and I tend to use the one from Desert Alchemy a lot. The Flower Essence Society also has one in their Range of Light series. You know, the Saguaro is is the tallest, the biggest presence in that high desert ecology. And they’re just so strong in themselves and so grounded and rooted and yet really elevated. Also, there’s a real verticality to Saguaro. So if you can think of the images from cartoons, if you actually seen a saguaro, of course you have an image in your head. But it really knows who it is and it’s not afraid to stand up. And Saguaro is such a helpful essence for so many people when you’re struggling with who you are and who you are in relationship to authority and whether that relationship is you being rebellious or causing trouble or whether it’s you completely bowing over to whatever the authority might be. Either way, Saguaro can be really helpful. [00:17:28][135.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:17:30] That’s neat. I actually have not worked with Saguaro before, and I’m really excited to learn more about Desert Alchemy essences in a workshop coming up that I know you’re going to be in as well. [00:17:42][11.5]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:17:43] Absolutely. Never miss a chance to get more education. It’s so wonderful. And Cynthia Athina Kemp Scherer is such a great teacher. So anybody listening who wants to learn more about these beautiful desert essences, please do that. It’s wonderful stuff. I love those essences. [00:17:59][16.7]

Rochana Felde: [00:18:01] Yeah. So we’ve talked a little bit about the father relationship. What about the mother relationship? [00:18:07][6.0]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:18:09] Agreed. Is there a particular starting point or do you want me to dive in on that? [00:18:13][4.0]

Rochana Felde: [00:18:15] Well, what if we start with Pineapple Weed? I mean, I just love it. It’s in the chamomile family and I just love then you know the name of it Matricaria matricarioides. Tell me if I’m butchering it. [00:18:33][18.2]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:18:34] You know, botanical Latin… I think that the most important thing to remember is, you’re communicating. And if people understand what you’re saying, that’s enough. There really isn’t a strict setting of how to pronounce things. It’s a translation of a dead language. So nobody really knows how to how to say it. But there are certain kind of conventions that people use. So I would probably say matricarioides. [00:19:06][31.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:19:07] There you go. [00:19:07][0.3]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:19:07] But I could also be wrong.. [00:19:08][0.9]

Rochana Felde: [00:19:11] And then to top it off, I believe that that species name has been updated in recent years to discoidea. [00:19:19][7.7]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:19:20] Fortunately, all you need to do is go find Pineapple Weed from the Alaskan essences and you’ll be set. [00:19:24][4.1]

Rochana Felde: [00:19:26] But I guess where I was going with that is the Matricaria, which is the same genus as Chamomile. I mean, it comes from a Latin root matriarch, which is so interesting. And it’s just been known as something to promote harmony between mothers and children or with humans and nature. It’s so lovely that it also brings in the nature connection. There’s a couple ways I could go with this, but I’m just thinking, you know, if you’re not familiar with Pineapple Weed or that name of it, it’s a ray-less or petal-less camomile type flower, also called Wild Camomile. And it is naturalized all over the United States, and I believe Europe. I believe it originally might have come from Asia, but it grows in disturbed places. And you’ve probably walked on it. It always grows up in gravel driveways. So wherever you’ve lived, if you’ve walked along a gravel driveway, you’ve probably stepped on pineapple weed. And it’s one of those fun plants that I remember as a kid. I don’t know, in grade school, some young grade school friends, you know, we’d pick it and somebody told me if you close your eyes and put it in your mouth, it will taste like a strawberry. So thank goodness this wasn’t a poisonous plant because we all did it, and we’re like.. Imagine and close your eyes. Imagine it as a strawberry and it’ll be strawberry tasting in your mouth. So isn’t that funny, what kids do? I don’t know if, you know, that’s local to this area or more widespread. [00:21:09][103.7]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:21:11] But really sweet, though, because kids are the ones who tend to notice that plant adults just walk right past it walk right over it. And it’s one that I only ever recognized after it was brought to my attention in the essence framework. After that, I see it all over all over the place now. [00:21:28][17.0]

Rochana Felde: [00:21:28] Right. And its low to the ground. Kids are low to the ground. We play on the ground. And, you know, it’s just right there at our feet helping us to do what? Connect to nature. And I love the magical aspect of it that I encountered as a child, not knowing anything about plants, really, but just thinking how how sort of mystical that was. And then as an essence, it’s great for kind of engendering these childlike qualities for people. [00:22:02][33.8]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:22:05] It has a real gentleness to it that I think helps with that wounded child feeling that can come up in that mother child relationship. So bringing Pineapple Weed into your experience could be really, really healing and beneficial. Whenever you’re feeling that maybe you are being walked on.. You know, the bumps and bruises of childhood, let’s say. I think pineapple weed is really, really beneficial. I couldn’t not talk about Mariposa Lily as well, because that’s one of the really primary mother archetype flower essences. I most often use it from the Flower Essence Society, and there’s a few different Mariposa lilies that they have in their line. But the basic Mariposa Lily really speaks to that mother wound experience. Whenever you really need help in connecting to your inner mother, even, you know, our human mothers can be flawed and they’re always going to be human. And but connecting to that archetype of mother can help you feel more secure and safe and loved even as you interact with your human mother who might have an issue or two. [00:23:34][88.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:23:36] The Mariposa Lily, in fact, a lot of the lilies are just lovely when we’re working with the feminine archetypes. I think especially of the self. [00:23:45][9.0]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:23:46] The whole female ability to give birth and bring a child into the world and nurture a child, that quality of lily is definitely a very yin quality. If you think about the signatures of lilies, they have these bulbs.. They have these moist nourishing bulbs through which they can draw back all that energy back into the ground in the winter time and then grow and flower in the summer. But you’re right. All of the lilies have different segments or different aspects of the feminine experience for sure. And certainly the mother experience as well. Do you want to talk about sibling relationships? And I really think the inner child could use some love during the holidays. [00:24:35][49.2]

Rochana Felde: [00:24:37] Yeah, I was just thinking that myself, especially since we were talking about Pineapple Weed and. And then there’s Chamomile. You know, it’s it’s own sibling and that genus. Chamomile works with soothing your inner child, especially when all sorts of areas where you may be giving in to being whiny and complaining and angry, especially with these family scenarios demanding attention, that kind of thing, camomile herbally is used to calm the nervous system, but also all the tension in the stomach area. And so I think that, again, is in there in that third chakra that deals with your sense of self and your inner child, like if I were to think of words, where my inner child lives in my body, it’s there in my belly, basically. And that seems to be a really great fit for that. What do you think about Chamomile? [00:25:53][76.5]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:25:53] Every time I think about chamomile I can’t forget Matthew Wood’s quote about it being helpful for whiny babies of all ages. [00:26:01][7.4]

Rochana Felde: [00:26:02] Yeah. I love that. I believe that’s from his book The Book of Herbal Wisdom. [00:26:07][4.6]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:26:11] He’s got a lot of interesting things to share. He’s a wonderful herbalist. He works with flower essences and homeopathy and he’s a great teacher. I’ve had the fortune of taking a class or two from him. It’s really fun to learn from people with all these different types of knowledge and understanding about plants and plant medicines. . [00:26:31][20.5]

Rochana Felde: [00:26:32] And he also heavily relies on homeopathy to inform the uses of plants, not just traditional Western herbalism. So it’s a really great melding of information about the wisdom that’s coming from these plants. And we like to talk about that here on this podcast. You know, the wisdom, what the flowers and the plants are teaching us. So it’s a good resource. [00:27:00][28.2]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:27:01] And how the healing reflects through different lenses, you know, a homeopathic is different than a flower essence, is different than a tincture, but they all have a certain realm in which they work. It’s really interesting to connect with somebody like Matthew Wood who can see it from a lot of different angles. [00:27:19][17.5]

Rochana Felde: [00:27:20] Yeah. And homeopathy is a great source of information as well for Flower Essence uses, because Samuel Hahnemann, the founder of Homeopathy, came up with a way of testing or proving us in order to determine what the remedies were good for. And the way to test that was to take excessive amounts of the actual mother tincture of it or the herb. So we think of camomile for example, as this very gentle herbal remedy when you take it, when you drink the tea or what have you. But if you take excessive amounts of it, any plant can give adverse reactions. And they noticed things like, you know, liver heat and red face and getting angry and agitated and being petulant and all of these qualities that we would look to soothe with a flower essence or homeopathic remedy. So that proving it’s like the opposite of what we’re looking for. [00:28:38][78.3]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:28:39] Yeah. And it’s part of that spectrum. The plant can teach us the balance between these places and can show what happens when you’re out of balance as well as how you can find balance. The child issue, I think that Chamomile is always a good place to start. And then there’s these two different essences that speak to these imbalances in the relationship dynamics. I think Heather and Chicory are two that I think of a lot. And I’ll throw another segment here, because one of the things that I counsel my clients in. If they’re struggling with it of relationship dynamic with their parent or their spouse or whoever… Sometimes a really good way of seeing into it is to take the essence that that person might need. Take it yourself. I’ve often done this with parents, with children talking about their parents. When the parent isn’t working with me, nor do they have any intention of taking essences, but by offering the same essence that would address whatever the parent’s issues might be.. And thinking, oh, that’s the perfect Chicory situation, giving that to my client, to the child, can really create an awareness sometimes and an opening in that relationship where you might not have another opportunity to open into that healing space. Because you can see it much better, because you’re seeing much more through through the parents eyes. [00:30:20][100.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:30:22] Yeah, chicory is one that I’ve learned as well that is really works well when both the parent and the child take it. [00:30:29][7.5]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:30:31] Yeah, but you can’t always do that. Sometimes just taking it yourself can create a similar kind of change because, you know, it’s that old saw, right? You can’t change anybody else until you change yourself first. No, you can’t change anybody else at all, really. But all you can do is change yourself. That’s what I was trying to say. [00:30:49][17.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:30:49] And it would be unethical to dose them without their permission. [00:30:51][2.4]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:30:53] Yes. Please don’t do that. So that question does come up a lot, doesn’t it? Do you have. Do you have people asking you? Oh, yeah. Is it okay to do that? No, please don’t do that. It’s not right. If it’s a child or a pet. Sure. Because they are sort of under your wing, under your energetic wing. But to inadvertently or unwittingly dose an adult is really inappropriate and can cause distress to them because they don’t know what’s happening. You wouldn’t want to do that. Take it yourself if you really need to do that. But the Chicory is that imbalance in the issue of giving and receiving. [00:31:30][37.5]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:31:32] And so anytime you have that.. Chicory was described as the “needy mother” symptom. And then there’s Heather, which is the needy child part of that. So I think Chicory and Heather have a lot of overlap and sometimes it’s not really clear which one is the best fit. But if you’re relating more to that child part then probably the Heather would be the better choice. [00:31:59][26.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:32:01] And chicory is such a beautiful shade of blue, that flower, it’s got such a calming influence and it’s funny, though, because the root is used in coffee as a coffee substitute has that really bitter strong flavor that takes a little getting used to if you haven’t tasted it – a coffee substitute beverage or any other kind of flavor like that. I love it, though. It’s very good in the morning. [00:32:31][29.5]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:32:33] Yeah. Bitter is a flavor that’s not in the typical American palate. But I love bitter too. Yeah. I can’t. We can’t not have a conversation about working with the child without talking a little bit about some gems that are so helpful for children. Rose Quartz. I mean, that is so soothing to the heart. Whenever your heart is feeling hurt or you’re feeling neglected and abandoned or all of the all of those things that that little inner child needs support with. I think Rose Quartz is incredibly helpful. I think that you have a lot of experience with Rose Quartz, don’t you? [00:33:09][35.5]

Rochana Felde: [00:33:09] Yeah, I just love that gemstone Pink Quartz. It’s beautiful. And it is so helpful in any situation that you want to engender self-love or the feeling of being nurtured. And that really speaks to when you want to nurture your own inner child, really, you know, we’re our own parents and we have to be our own parents. So to give that to ourself, it’s a gift, a gift of love that we’re not just giving to ourself, but we’re also giving to… How would I say? To all aspects of ourself, including our inner child. So we can connect and really feel that stabilization in our heart when we use Rose Quartz. [00:33:58][48.7]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:34:02] I think Calling All Angels is another one I think about for soothing the child part. It’s a beautiful combination formula from the Alaskan Essences and it covers a lot of bases when you have an upset child part. They make it in the drop formulation. They also make a beautiful spray as well that might be a really nice possibility. So if you’re traveling, to have one of those sprays with you to support yourself as you go to sleep, to support yourself whenever you’re dealing with these family dynamics that don’t feel supportive. [00:34:40][38.5]

Rochana Felde: [00:34:41] Yeah, it’s one of my favorites. You know, on the spray has a really lovely essential oil scent as well. But the Angelica in it specifically, I mean, you could use Angelica on its own. But I really like to think of it as we’re talking about, you know, kind of parenting ourselves or feeling like we’re being nurtured or watched over, cared for. And this just expands that for that energy to come from the angelic realm, basically, and that connection to that kingdom. And so wonderful for feeling, especially during the holidays, if you’re feeling really like alone or not feeling understood, or just really like when there’s that feeling of feeling alone in whatever you’re going through. You know, whether it’s being actually alone and not being able to be with family or you’re with family and you just don’t think they understand you and you feel alone either way, that Calling All Angels just adds that that extra support from the other world, gives you that that feeling of being boosted up and cared for. [00:36:03][81.9]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:36:05] Exactly. When we get into these holidays, we can just feel so disappointed. Our hopes for connecting with our family members or connecting over this ideal holiday, all of us have these images in our mind from TV and from cultural images of how perfect things are supposed to be. And then you get tossed back in with, oh, yes, my family. And it maybe isn’t going to act like that. Maybe things are going to happen that don’t feel really good and warm and cozy. And you can create these resources within yourself by by taking some of these essences or having some of these supportive formulas, like Calling All Angels with you to help smooth it out. And you can start to see, OK. Yes, they’re flawed and they’re human, but we can find a place in ourselves that we can appreciate both ourselves and the people that we’re related to and spending time with. I think that might be a good thought to take with us as we travel for Thanksgiving. [00:37:03][58.8]

Rochana Felde: [00:37:04] Yeah, you can’t go wrong having that that, along with the Rescue Remedy or Five Flower Formula and all of the above. And one of the ways I love having the Rescue Remedy with me, when I’m in other situations, is the little gummy candies that they make, because you can just pop those all day long. And it’s just like putting a mint in your mouth, right? [00:37:39][35.0]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:37:40] Yes. They’re coming in some nice flavors now, some different options, it’s kind of cool that they’ve expanded the line. It’s always useful. [00:37:47][7.5]

Rochana Felde: [00:37:49] Yeah. Right. And then speaking of being in tricky family situations and sometimes it gets intense, especially when there may be arguments happening with other family members. And one way I like to keep my boundaries when witnessing that and not getting caught up in it is Hematite. I try to stay grounded and pull those boundaries around me, not get sucked into kind of a codependent scenario with other people. [00:38:25][36.6]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:38:27] I think that that’s really appropriate because we do tend to get caught up in the drama. We know the buttons are getting triggered, we’re tired, we’re maybe in a situation that it’s not our comfort zone and having Hematite can really help to keep your boundaries strong. I like that idea a lot. That’s not necessarily one that I would have thought of, but I think that’s just perfect. Yeah, beautiful. So I think we can probably kind of bring this together now. I think that a lot of us are are challenged in family relationships. We do so much internal work and self growth and processing. And then it’s almost like having a stress test when you have a holiday come up and you start to realize, oh, I’m still working on this. This little process here, I thought I was almost done, but maybe not yet. And having some of these essences can really help you come together with recognizing where you’re still growing and give you some support for those things that you know are going to be triggering. [00:39:26][58.5]

Rochana Felde: [00:39:28] And we’ll have more episodes similar to this topic around the holidays in dealing with seasonal issues, with the winter time, the stress and exhaustion that comes along with the holiday planning and traveling and how to protect yourself during travels. [00:39:47][19.9]

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:50] So we welcome you to engage with us. We’d love to hear from you about what your thoughts are on this, this topic and maybe some areas that you’re looking for more support. We’d love to help answer your questions. And if you have particular concerns or topics that you’d like to bring up, we would love to hear about that and be able to address that on a further show. We’re really glad that you’re with us. We’re really glad to have this community. We really love to share these messages from nature. [00:40:16][26.6]

Rochana Felde: [00:40:18] Absolutely. I really appreciate the feedback we’re getting and love doing this. So keep it coming and exactly what Kathleen said. Let us know what you want us to talk about and or, you know, tell us what you like to use in these situations. We love having this conversation. [00:40:38][20.2]

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