In this episode, we discuss flower essences to build your self confidence, giving you courage to take on new challenges and be seen.
Flower Essences discussed during the show:
- Echinacea FES
- Sunflower FES, Alaskan Essences
- Gold Alaskan Essences
- Larch Healing Herbs
- Golden Larch Flora of Asia
- Cat’s Ear
- Dandelion FES Alaskan Essences
- Rosemary FES
- Gigantea Rose Flora of Asia
- California Wild Rose FES
- Yellow Jasmine Flora of Asia
- Olive Healing Herbs
- Borage FES
- Pride of Madeira
- Naked Jane Bell Essences
Rochana Felde [00:00:10] Welcome to the Flower Essence podcast and join us on an exploration of the healing wisdom of flowers.
With combined decades of experience in the study and practice of flower essence therapy, Kathleen Aspenns and co-host Rochana Felde guide you to reconnect to nature with these potent vibrational remedies.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:00:42] Hi I’m Kathleen Aspenns and I’m here with Rochana Felde. Today we’re going to be talking about confidence. There are many aspects of confidence and we have a long list of essences and aspects about how to build your confidence, how to build up that concern that you might have about being seen or heard. There’s lots of different aspects to it. What is the first part that you’d like to start with?
Rochana Felde [00:01:07] I’d like to think about what’s beneath self-confidence. You know what, what I think of confidence itself as trusting your abilities and judgment in order to do something to achieve a task or perform. And, then what makes that happen, why is that you don’t have that, is what I like to look at. And it’s the self-esteem aspect of it is what I look at. And then, how is self-esteem fed. The definition of that is more of a belief in yourself and your own self-worth and abilities. And then what feeds that self-worth? Is it a love for yourself, you know a healthy respect for yourself? Or is it is it being built up by ego. And so there’s slight variations to this terminology, but when I work with a client I like to dig back further into what’s the root cause of a confidence issue. If that person has self-esteem, what kind of self-esteem do they have? What’s feeding it? And if it’s ego, or if they’re basing their self esteem on their job, or how much money they make, or what kind of car they drive, and not something deeper in believing in themselves, then that’s where things start falling apart.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:02:53] Yeah totally. And I like that your approach like mine, is to look underneath what it is because you’re afraid of something or you’re not feeling confident. OK, well let’s sort of unpack that a little bit and find out what’s what’s resting underneath. Sometimes there’s a negative voice that one’s hearing, maybe it’s a voice of a parent, or a voice of a teacher that tells you you can’t do something or you’re not good enough. Those sorts of voices… It’s really worthwhile to start getting in and getting some essences that will help counteract those voices because there’s no amount of sort of will forces that will push you into doing something successfully. If you’ve got those voices going on in the background all the time.
Rochana Felde [00:03:38] Absolutely, quieting that inner critic.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:03:43] And there’s just so many different aspects of that. You know, it can be coming from a bunch of different places. But I think that what you’re talking about is really interesting, about where your will to live is coming from. That sense of confidence, and taking exciting action and doing things you know I think that when we worry a lot about the notion of ego. It is something that I dance with a lot because I think that the ego has been unfairly demonized. You know there are certainly ego maniacs and that’s not great, but our ego is part of how we interact with the world. If we don’t have any ego at all, we’re just like a little lump, and we can do great meditation maybe on our cushion, but let’s go do something in the world. And I think that building up that sense of mission and drive and energy is a big part of helping build confidence.
Rochana Felde [00:04:38] I have an interesting story about that actually. You know and I was thinking back about my career and my life. I was a dot.com developer in the 90s, I was designing Web sites and it was a highly competitive environment. And, as a woman, in the 90s, in that tech world that was dominated by men. I had to really develop my ego to have any place at the table whatsoever, to get that job. This is in San Francisco so it was highly competitive. And I did it. I got there, I was doing that job, I was highly successful. I was married to my first husband and he was a part owner. We were a part owner in a nightclub. All these things were happening. And then my husband died. The nightclub failed, and the dot bomb happened. So you know the tech industry crumbled in that at that time the first dot bomb happened, and I got laid off. So all within about a year. And there was a sort of a slow burn on my confidence and then by the time that year was over it had just totally crashed. And then, tech jobs were very hard to get, and I was unemployed for for some time and my confidence was so low in in myself and what I could do in trying to to get work. You know, at one point I was called to do some consulting by a former employer, who asked me if I could do a shopping cart for them. And I was surprised, I didn’t think I could. You know, I didn’t think that I could do it. I’m surprised they were even asking me. Whereas, a couple of years before that, I would have been completely confident that I could do it or I would have been able to fake it until I made it. It took me a while, but I recalibrated and sort of regained my bearings. But when I look back at that, and think about Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, safety and love are all part of that base of the pyramid – before you get self esteem. All of that was just taken away from me. And because my confidence was built on a foundation of only ego, and not a true self love and self-worth for myself, when that went away it was the rug was pulled out from me. And I was left in a crisis with nothing. So I do agree that ego is so important and needed in certain ways. But if there’s nothing holding that up – that speaks to me believing in myself, regardless of my job, or who I’m with, or what my success level is – then that’s what I like to focus on. Making sure to get in there, to that layer of support, and feed that self-worth so you can put the ego on top of it. But the ego can’t replace it, if that makes sense.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:08:19] I see the ego as being something of a guiding light. It is something that helps you overcome obstacles rather than it being the foundation of everything you do. I mean the shattering experience that you endured – that’s how I would characterize it. I mean literally you’re rebuilding from rubble. You know everything you know is just, poof! Completely gone. That’s kind of an Echinacea experience. The flower essence Echinacea is really helpful for reconstituting the star of you after those sorts of really shattering experiences. And I think that as you obviously know, from from enduring that sort of situation, if a client is coming to you and telling you that they have this and asking, “what Essence is for that?” You have to say, this is gonna be a process. There’s going to be time involved, and a lot of inner work in order to start to put yourself back together again after all that. And you’re not going to get right back to where you were instantaneously. It’s gonna take some time to rebuild that foundation.
Rochana Felde [00:09:29] It’s such a process. And of course, I didn’t have flower essences at the time.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:09:37] Well, that would have helped. I guess we get what we need when we need it. Wow, that’s quite an experience. I think that one of the other essences that I’d be thinking of for that type of situation would be Sunflower. Sunflower is such a beautiful essence, to help build up those ego and soul forces so that you can follow that guiding light of your life. If you think about the action of what a sunflower does it’s heliotropic. So it follows the sun across the sky and it has that healthy ego, because it stands up tall, and it sets its flower way up at the top. But it’s following that light – it’s following that higher light of being, rather than some false light of ego.
Rochana Felde [00:10:26] I love those heliocentric flowers. They’re so special.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:10:31] And I think that when we’re dealing with confidence we are dealing with a lot of the golden color. A lot of those types of flowers that express that pattern. What are some of the essences that you like to use?
Rochana Felde [00:10:44] I definitely love the sunflower. I also like the Gold gem elixir. As a part of whatever the combination that I’m formulating, that seems really key. And an essence like this, what you were talking about with the sun, and the golden yellow color, and bringing in the gem elixir of Gold. For that low self esteem, and a weak sense of personal identity. Wrapping some warmth around that, and building that as part of that base again.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:11:24] Do you use the one from Alaska? I use that all the time, and just love it for giving you that reconnection to your sense of preciousness, the value of who you are, and what you are is really worthwhile. And to connect that to the Sunflower is really great, a great combination.
Rochana Felde [00:11:44] Yeah I do. I love the Alaskan Gem elixirs, and Gold specifically.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:11:49] And the gem elixirs are interesting – what Steve Johnson always said, that concept about how the flowers catalyzed changes and shifts in consciousness, and the gems helped to anchor them into the body, anchoring them into the physical. I use gems and flowers quite a bit in combination, so that we make sure that we can make that shift, and also hold the shift and stabilize that shift.
Rochana Felde [00:12:13] I love that. What else are you do use with your confidence formulas?
Kathleen Aspenns [00:12:19] Well, I think that if we’re looking at Larch. Dr. Bach’s essence of Larch is always really really useful. Larch has that quality of turning “I can’t” into “I can”. It really helps to build up that sense of self, and the sense of willingness, to take a risk and try something a little different. Even if you feel a little clunky at the time, you can get your way through. And you know, it’s OK to fall a little bit. It’s OK to stumble, it’s okay to be awkward too and Larch really gives you that. I make an essence from a Golden Larch. It’s a different species, and it has a little more of the quality of what we were talking about earlier, where it’s about connecting that sense of of who you are and why you came here, to that action in the world. So the higher essence, connecting together, and helping you bring that out into the world.
Rochana Felde [00:13:19] That sounds lovely. There’s one that’s more of a research essence for me that fits in this part of – when you need the confidence to do something, to accomplish your task or to perform. There’s a part that you have to just be present and ground yourself in order to go forward, to get out of your head, to get into your body, and be present. And interestingly I’ve found that Cat’s Ear. Are you familiar with that one?
Kathleen Aspenns [00:13:57] I am not.
Rochana Felde [00:13:59] It’s Hypochaeris radicata. It’s the false Dandelion. So you’ve seen it a million times, it looks like dandelion but it’s not quite the same. It has a long multipronged center flowering stem versus the dandelion. It has the single hollow stem in the middle of the rosette. And the Cat’s Ear it grows on all the lawns and the fields. It really is quite everywhere. It grows with dandelions, so most people think that it is dandelion. It’s got the same exact yellow flowers and it also has the puff ball when the flower starts.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:14:41] I know the plant you’re talking about.
Rochana Felde [00:14:45] So, completely overlooked, and it’s everywhere. And, you know, it’s pretty neat because it’s a low growing, low spreading plant. It just kind of spreads out and it has this quality of of being. I call it “be here now” is the little nickname that I have for it. It helps us to hold our intention, and increase our energy field. It’s all connected and in the field. It’s all over the fields and it creates a warm, sunlit energy field. So it’s teaching us to be still and shine our light. It reminds us that all we have to do is show up and be present, and that’s success. And so I’d like to sometimes add that, or work with that, or something like that with a formula like this, to make sure that’s included, if warranted with the remedy.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:15:53] Well in a sense, it’s so visually similar and mistaken for a dandelion. Maybe that’s time we can talk about Dandelion too. Because I think Dandelion is a good part of this type of a formula to help build confidence. For me I see the angle is coming from from the Chinese Medicine point of view of the Liver and the Spirit of the Liver, the Hun. So the Liver is an organ system that’s involved in your sense of being and your sense of acting into the world. And it has a piece of that projecting and forcefulness and strength of action in the world. And so when it gets a little awkward, we might be a little too aggressive about things, but the perfect expression of our Liver is of connecting to our sense of self, our sense of being, and engaging in the world in an active way. And I think Dandelion is really useful because it has those qualities. It is well known for being a liver remedy from Western herbalism. And so it also speaks to that overlap of you know nothing is new under the sun. And we all recognize from whatever perspective we’re coming from, of the different coherences and commonalities. And so I think Dandelion is actually useful in in these sorts of Liver Spirit dysfunctions that can help align your your sense of self, and sense of soul, with your actions in the world.
Rochana Felde [00:17:35] I totally agree and it’s so interesting that you have that Chinese Medicine perspective. Because I’ve found the same thing just from a different angle. And I do I love dandelion for its strength. I think of it as sort of an archetype of sort of a warrior. Very Leo-like energy. I think we’ve talked about this before but you know you can’t kill it with Roundup. People try to eradicate it from their life. And it keeps coming back. You know it’s so strong, and yet it also deals with intention and wish making – blowing on the on the puff ball to make a wish. And so it’s not just a dreamy wish. It’s really like setting in motion an intention, and then following through with it is how I see that energy.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:18:36] In that concept of what you’re sending with your breath – that wish into the air and then it’s going to take that and carry that all the way to the next crack in the sidewalk, that sends down a root and grow. Gosh darn it. Love it.
Rochana Felde [00:18:56] You know another one that I like to use especially with young women who don’t have a lot of confidence is Rosemary. Rosemary is so much about personal power. But you know Rosemary is also for mental function and remembrance. “Rosemary for remembrance.” But I see it as in this context is remembering your power. And you know whether that remembrances is coming from a from a past life from your DNA, or whatever it is at one point. You know women were more powerful culturally. And latching on to that remembrance. Rosemary has all of this traditional lore. You know, “where Rosemary flourishes a woman rules” or you know if there’s Rosemary in front of the door that means that the woman rules the house. You know there’s all sorts of interesting traditional lore about it which I think is really neat when it when when put into this context that there’s this sense of personal power. And it’s not just for women, but a feeling of the feminine soul, and having and stepping into what’s already there. You know, reconnecting with that. And it’s interesting because I have had a few young women clients. Early teenagers, younger 20s, and who have sort of a quiet intimate personality. And that’s the first one I go to just as a woman. Don’t be afraid to have to be there. Don’t be afraid to be yourself, and to just take up space basically. And that Rosemary energy is so strong with that that power to me that it seems to work really well for that.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:21:22] That’s so interesting. I have to keep that in mind I’ve never used it in that way. So it’s really exciting to hear another option for it. I like what you’re saying about taking up space. I think that there’s so much oppression of women in a patriarchal society and we’re just not allowed to be who we are. This kind of fits back in with this notion of of the Spirit of the Liver, the Hun, because that’s your expression on this plane. And if you’re not able to really express yourself you end up spending so much time, so much energy smashing yourself down into the shape that fits the culture, or smashing yourself into the shape that fits your workplace or your home or whatever. And that’s an awful lot of energy that you’re having to kind of constantly prune back yourself and really not be you. One of the essences that I use for that aspect is the Gigantea Rose which is a really beautiful species rose that has a very large golden flower and the flower has this quality that inspires self radiance. It inspires you to be absolutely and fully you, and that all of the distortions and the aspects about the culture that tells you you can’t be this, or you’re being “too much” – that it really just wipes that away and gives you a direct connection to the full force of you. And so whenever we’re afraid of being seen, we’re going to start doing little distortions and trying to fit in or try to be what they’re expecting us to be. And the Gigantea Rose helps you connect to that full force of your being so that there’s not any of those weird habits that we put on to try to make ourselves more acceptable to somebody else. And it just doesn’t feel like us. And so now we’re performing. And I think that that’s always sort of damaging to the soul.
Rochana Felde [00:23:31] Absolutely. What color is that Rose? Out of curiosity.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:23:34] It’s this incredible golden chalice and it fades out into a pale apricot color. It’s a simple wild rose, it has just the five petals but it’s just wide open. It’s really gorgeous.
Rochana Felde [00:23:51] That’s really neat. I was also thinking about California Wild Rose to boost the self-worth factor as part of that valuing yourself, loving yourself. Reminding us that we can be good at something. I love California Wild Rose – it just honoring your heart and believing in yourself and having that self-love is part of that foundation. And I I use it in a lot of formulas.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:24:34] I like that element of growing and nourishing your confidence, and growing and nourishing your self love. And because it’s usually a process, and it’s not something that you could flip a switch on, and all of a sudden you’re gonna be 100 percent confident all the time. The goal is to try to help our clients take that next step. What’s that exact next step? What is that thing that scares you to do and help build you up so that you can take that step. And then there’s gonna be another step, and maybe another little moment of “oh my gosh I can’t do this” but you can keep going, and keep building on your successes.
Rochana Felde [00:25:15] Yeah. And being kind to yourself through that process. So that’s another way that the roses all help. Forgiving yourself, you know, when you’re not doing what you think you should be.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:25:28] And like you say, that self kindness element. I mean, none of us are perfect and that’s fine. I mean how weird that we want to be perfect all the time. There’s nothing that’s perfect in the whole world. Everything is always a process. It’s always in growth. It’s always changing. So that notion of “I can’t do this until it’s perfect”. You know let’s see what we can do to moderate that end, and get that voice that tells you that you’re not good enough because you’re not perfect. Let’s see if we can quiet that voice down a little bit.
Rochana Felde [00:26:02] Absolutely. Yes. Jasmine’s another one that helps with self acceptance and honoring that divine spark within oneself. I like that one especially if there’s a negative self-image involved.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:26:28] What Jasmine do you use?
Rochana Felde [00:26:31] I’ve been using one that I got from one of my early teachers Katherine Abbey Rich. Her line is Gathering Forces I think.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:26:44] I’m not familiar with that particular essence. I’m just curious as to what species it is. I’ve made a Yellow Jasmine. And right now I’d have to look up the botanical name. It’s not loaded up in my brain. I’ve found that essence to be really helpful for pacing. For that aspect of “now it’s time to go to do” and “now it’s time to rest”. And I think that maybe that’s the next step once you start to build confidence. Is this that you need to learn how to listen to your inner pace. Because if you didn’t have confidence of your pace, you know the inner guidance was always to stop. “Don’t do this this is dangerous.” And then when you learn to walk past that paper tiger of “this is dangerous” into, starting to work. Then you have to figure out “OK, what what sort of a natural rhythm can I start to create with this work that I’m doing? So that I know I’m not doing too much and pushing past the natural state of, now it’s time to rest and to sort of integrate what I’ve done. And then time to go again.” That’s what I find the Yellow Jasmine to do that’s really interesting.
Rochana Felde [00:27:53] I believe this is a white Jasmine. Jasminum officinalis. I think I’ve made a pink Jasmine and found that it had some similar divine resonance but it wasn’t quite the same.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:28:09] I’m remembering correctly, I had a moment to think about it. Jasminum humile. And that’s one of the Jasminums. And then there are also other plants that are commonly called Jasmine that belong to other genuses. One of the things that I think is kind of interesting though we’re talking about this, is that Jasminum is in the Oleacea family. And so there’s a certain quality there that if you think about Dr. Bach’s Olive, that quality of restoration and deep nourishment that carries across into the familial connection of the Jasmines. So I use Olive for that kind of burnout – that just completely fried, exhausted state. And maybe we’re looping around to where we started. That shattering experience. You really need that kind of ancestral nourishment and rebuilding and connecting to your roots that the Olive can offer.
Rochana Felde [00:29:14] Right, and Borage too. For that, and Borage for the courage that’s needed especially after the deep crisis times. But just even needing your confidence at any time, I like to look at Borage. It it’s been known for that since traditional times giving a confidence.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:29:39] Gentle. It’s such a sweetie. Yeah I use it as a little boost and a toner to a formula because it’s acceptable for the whole family. It’s not a challenging essence that pushes buttons. It just gently lifts you up and gives you a little cradling, a “come on, you can do this, give it a try.”
Rochana Felde [00:30:05] It’s so unique. I love the Star flowers, the blue. How it has sort of a connection to our stardust roots.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:30:18] It also it brings it down. You know that image of the flower, that always is pointing down to the ground. So it’s it’s bringing that starry light, bringing it down into reality, into the earth.
Rochana Felde [00:30:29] Yeah absolutely. In the family of comfrey,.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:30:36] Boraginaceae – my horticulture background coming in here.
Rochana Felde [00:30:43] When I’m not looking at the word, you know, and I’m trying to remember it – it’s just not going to happen sometimes.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:30:50] Botanical Latin is definitely an acquired mouth feel to learn how to wrap your mouth around that and just run with it. And do you have any other aspects about what you do for someone who’s afraid to be seen?
Rochana Felde [00:31:10] Yeah. I’ve also got an essence that I made from the Echium flower, also called Pride of Madeira. It’s still sort of a research essence for me but I find that it’s it helpful for creative expression, in front of a crowd specifically. This plant is on the coast of California, although it’s not native, and it grows up very tall with these long spires of beautiful blue purple flowers that bees just absolutely adore. They go nuts for the flower and these long spires of these purple flowers and they get quite tall and big and I just see that as sort of like an opera diva on stage.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:32:14] Yeah I can see that from that plant. It’s like “I’m here”, and you notice it.
Rochana Felde [00:32:20] If you drive down coastal California Highway 1 you’re going to see it and you’re going to notice it. You’re gonna be looking at the ocean, and all the beautiful scenery. But when you see that plant you’re going to take notice.It’s like she’s in a big purple flowing robe and she just has this presence. I do like to work with Pride of Madeira. I mean just look at the name, pride. For that confidence in being out there.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:33:05] Yeah yeah. That’s that’s really lovely. What a beautiful thing. It’s just such a beautiful plant, you just can’t get over it when you when you get to spend time with it. It’s it’s like you say, it’s a bit of a diva. You know “look at me, here I am!”.
Rochana Felde [00:33:25] She’ll just grow from a root that you throw on the field. Almost invasive from what I hear.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:33:43] Well one of the essences that I think about, and go to a lot when it’s that fear of being seen. I just love Jane Bell’s Naked. And you just say “”naked and you’re like, whoa. Naked comes in both drops that you can take in your formula or instead of a formula. And it also comes as a beautiful spray. And when I really reach for it – I was talking to a client recently who is stepping out from a supportive role, into a “front of the room” role. And it’s really scary when you’re starting to switch. You know, all of a sudden, now everyone is looking at me. Wow. That can be a little daunting. And so the Naked spray was really helpful to help her before she’d go out on stage, or before she’d go in front of a group. I’d just have her mist herself. And it really helps you get grounded in yourself and just connect to that sense of the fun of being in the body, “we’re doing this thing” and “everyone look at this!” It’s pretty beautiful.
Rochana Felde [00:34:51] I love that imagery, it’s great.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:34:55] It’s a very sassy essence. You just let everybody see you, and they’re just going to be so impressed by how great you are.
Rochana Felde [00:35:04] And I love those sprays – the scent of that one Naked has jasmine in it.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:35:13] There’s definitely Jasmine in it. Interesting, once again it comes up. And the jasmine in it really creates that energetic of in the body, and enjoying it. You know, I think that a lot of times when we don’t have confidence, we kind of retreat to a cerebral place, and try to vanish like air. And something like the Jasmine helps you get in your body and really be present. Like, “yeah we’re doing this, physically, right now, look at us!”
Rochana Felde [00:35:47] I love it. So do you have any final thoughts that you might want to throw in on this piece? We’ve covered a lot of ground here, and there’s even more that we could add. But I think those are all so wonderful. And you know I like thinking about it in terms of what would go in a formula and what reason would you put one in versus another. And I think we touched on that a little bit. But I’d love to do that more as we go forward.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:36:18] Yeah. That’s what really excites me about these conversations together is that we could talk about the real nuts and bolts of Flower Essence Therapy, and how we’re able to help people much more than, you know, “this essence for this”, and “this essence for that” which is great. But it’s a good starting point really. The wonderful intriguing beauty of flower essences is is how they work together, how they work to match whatever the soul needs, whatever the individual needs, and then help them grow into that next step. And then we evolve from there. What’s the next step after that? Well, let’s see next month.
Rochana Felde [00:36:54] Absolutely, and what I love so much about working with clients is that every situation is absolutely unique and every person is unique and they come to the table with their own set of of history, and constitution, and things that they’re dealing with. And every formula pushes me to create formulas I would’ve never thought of making on my own. You know it’s really cool. Really interesting. You know that, in a way, we co-create with the client.
Kathleen Aspenns [00:37:33] Yeah, agreed. And it is because, it is organic. You know it’s not that somebody is at stage 1.3. They’re where they are, and what’s going on in their life, and what kind of support do they need immediately, and what capacity do they have to evolve or shift or change at that moment in time. Because that’s how we’re working. We’re working at this very moment, this very space. What are you ready for? And it might be different last month than it is next month. And so we help support them with these really tailored formulas, for exactly where they are. I like to bring in a seasonal element as well, because there are different times in seasons, based on Chinese Medicine. We’re focusing on different organ systems, we’re focusing on different energetics. And so the middle of winter is not time to be starting all this new stuff, and reaching out. It’s like, no, this really isn’t the right energetic for that. We need to wait until spring or even maybe a little later in the year.
Rochana Felde [00:38:34] Yeah I absolutely agree. Just timing with the seasons is smart with everything. Well this has been a lovely conversation. I’ve really enjoyed it and we’ll be back next time with an exciting new topic on flower essences.
Rochana Felde [00:38:50] Yeah sounds great. So great to talk to you again. Take care. Bye bye.
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