FEP02 Stress, Worry and Overwhelm

In this episode, we discuss flower essences to help you feel more grounded, less stressed and less likely to spin out into worry and overwhelm.

Flower Essences discussed during the show:

Show Transcript

Kathleen Aspenns [00:00:09] Welcome to the flower essence podcast where Nature helps you grow yourself whole. With combined decades of experience in the study and practice of flower essence therapy, I, Kathleen Aspenns and co-host Rochana Felde guide you to reconnect to Nature with these potent vibrational remedies. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:00:29] And today our topic is worry and overwhelm. I’m sure this is not something that affects probably any of our listeners, not like us :)… But worry and overwhelm I think is sort of an endemic problem in the world today. I think all of us have so many different projects going on and work commitments and home commitments and all of the inputs from social media and the news and the phones going off all the time. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:01:02] It’s really a naturally overwhelming state. The good news is that there are flower essences that can help us with these really unpleasant sensations of feeling overwhelmed and stressed all the time and we can learn to reconnect to our ability to feel more calm, feel more centered, and get more done without all that spin. So, Rochana, it’s good to be together again. We’ve been talking about this concept about what we want to share with our work with flower essences. What have you been thinking since last we talked? 

Rochana Felde [00:01:36] Hi Kathleen it’s great to be here again. Yeah with stress and overwhelm, I mean we’re all everyone on this planet is pretty much walking around with an overstimulated nervous system. I mean you cannot escape it with the world we live in today and our bodies and our emotions are not used to this. I feel like we haven’t had a chance to evolve yet to the 24/7 news cycle, and social media, updates, and just the modern stresses. These are relatively recent in our history these kinds of things. I see it every day. The fallout from it with just even looking at friends posts on Facebook or social media and you can tell that just something will put someone over the edge and they’ll react in a way that I know is not them or their personality and the stress of the nervous system and the sympathetic nervous system fight or flight response which we need to have for survival. It’s constantly getting bombarded. Flower essences are so great to be a part of somebody’s toolbox for dealing with this now. When it comes to stress, you can’t treat stress for example. It’s what happens based on stimuli external or internal stimuli. But you can help the way your body responds in the way your emotions respond. And we can help by taking a look at what are those triggers and how can they maybe be changed. So I know we both have a lot of essences that we use in our practice. What are some that you like to work with? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:03:58] I like what you say about the nervous system and the more that we can do to help down shift our nervous systems. I really look at at the origin of where our nervous system started to become overwhelmed and a lot of us began this pattern as children. Perhaps our sleep started to get disrupted, due to maybe a trauma, or a stressful household, and that pattern never re- normalized where we can get good deep restful sleep anymore. And I think that’s really the foundation of a healthy nervous system is to be able to downshift, be calm, and be able to sleep naturally without needing to have any inputs. A lot of people use all sorts of substances to help them sleep. And you know sometimes those can be roads to getting good sleep but the problem is really just the bottom line is is that we’re not getting enough sleep, enough relaxation. We’re constantly stimulated. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:04:52] So one of the essences that I would start with talking about would be some from the Bach line of essences. I think Elm is sort of like the essence of the time. One of the shorthand versions of Elm is when you’re feeling “over-elmed”. The basic description of Elm is when normally you can really manage your life and you can kind of run all of the elements that you do run and just at times you get overwhelmed where normally you could handle it. But today is just not a good day and it’s all just too much. In those cases Elm is really appropriate. I think that that’s kind of a good starting point. I’m always looking when I’m working with clients I’m always looking at things from the Chinese Medicine perspective. So a lot of times when my clients are feeling overwhelmed it’s more of a Spleen type of scenario where they ruminate and they worry and they have the cycling thoughts, rather than when they have a higher anxiety which might be more of a Kidney deficiency kind of a pattern. So I’m always looking to differentiate those and then find the essences that are more aligned with how their pattern manifests rather than in a typical understanding somebody might just say “I’m stressed”. It’s like, “well let’s find out a little bit more about that so we can differentiate between what kind of stress you’re experiencing so that we can get a lot closer to a good remedy that will really work for you”. In those cases of that sort of worry cycling keeps you up at night maybe kind of just chewing over stuff. I find the chestnuts to be really really useful. Particularly White Chestnut is excellent for that sleep disturbance where you wake up in the middle night and you go through that whole “to do” list over and over and over. For that White Chestnut’s great. Red Chestnut is kind of a personal favorite essence for me. I tend to worry about my pets, my husband, other people rather than internal worry so I know I’ve fallen into my Red Chestnut pattern and need to booster myself with some Red Chestnut when I wake up in the middle of the night and listen for breathing. Like I’m sure people have just like vanished in the middle of the night so that’s kind of my little paranoia and I know it’s time for Red Chestnut and it’s just amazing how much it helps with those kinds of worries where you start getting into that catastrophic thinking about something horrible going to happen to your family like “oh please, Red Chestnut right now”. 

Rochana Felde [00:07:47] Yeah. For the overstimulated nervous system one that I really like is Albizia. That also called the mimosa tree and I know that’s used in Chinese Medicine as well but in the herb the flowers and bark of that tree have been used traditionally in Chinese Medicine for anxiety, stress, and depression. They call it the happiness tree I believe. But it grows all around here in California. It’s planted on the sides of the streets and the suburbs which I think is really interesting will like it for landscaping and it’s got these beautiful pink flowers. The stamens that kind of puff ball out, they look so soft and nurturing and their leaves are very frond like and sensitive. So the energy of that tree – if you’ve ever sat under one, it’s just that the feeling is it’s beautiful, calm, relaxing. The flower essence calms the spirit and the overstimulated nervous system and part of that action is by regulating the flow of life energy which will help unblock emotions, when they get stuck generate anger, frustration, depression or lack of joy. I think it’s great for dissolving angry frustrated and depressed emotional states and that helps get back on to joy. So that is is a key essence for me for when I can see that the nervous system is just at a state where it’s so frazzled that it’s kind of like you gotta walk that down a bit to really go any further. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:09:56] Yeah that is really interesting. I think that the Albizia is used for cooling heat in the Chinese Medicine concept. The heat can be over activity anywhere but in this case it’s over activity of the mind, or over activity of the nervous system. One of the interesting things is that with the Albizia or the mimosa tree if you if you think about its pattern it has these these kind of ferny fronded leaves that close up at night and so it has that pattern of active and then passive, relaxed. So it does that cycle. So it’s really interesting that it helps to sleep. I know it more from making a Monkeypod tree with Jane Bell in Hawaii, and the Monkeypod is a type of Albizia. I forget what species it is, but it’s in that same family and its qualities have that very calming and soothing quality. In the Hawaiian growing one, it has more of a kind of a masculine sheltering energy. So it gives you that quality of feeling really protected so that you can be calm and cool and sort of just downshift your nervous system into relaxation. 

Rochana Felde [00:11:17] That’s perfect. Exactly. And the that other essence which is so interesting with that going to that opening during the day going to sleep during the night action is California Poppy it does that, the flowers do that. And actually a lot of the flower essences that I like to use for for this topic are also herbal remedies because of course that’s my background. So, California Poppy you know is such a great nervous system relaxant physically. And the flower essense I feel, also has that but it’s dealing with helping someone have an appropriate reaction in a given situation so not overreacting in whatever way shape or form that means. I actually like it when I’m dealing with allergies because I feel like that’s an overreaction to a stimulus. So that emotional part of having an allergic reaction it is California Poppy can can work with that as well. But from an emotional nervous system standpoint the California poppy it definitely works with that stress response and also it’s all about the right use of whatever else you’re doing. So if you’re dealing with stress with other substances it helps modulate, to not abuse those other substances whether they’re illegal or legal, and it is used in that sense as well. You know that poster you’ve seen on social media that says “Keep Calm and Carry On”. I think of that tagline I think about California Poppy. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:13:32] Well I mean I think that it’s interesting because that originated from I think World War Two in England. That was something that the poster came up around the bombing of London on pretty much a nightly basis for years. And it was an encouragement from the Queen to help people just sort of hang in there. And I think that essences having emerged in England a little bit prior to that era but they were certainly around. And I hope, that I can only imagine seeing little bottles of Rescue Remedy being passed around to the children in the tunnels. Wouldn’t that be nice. We’ll imagine that that was happening because, what a difficult time. So much fear and terror.  

Kathleen Aspenns [00:14:22] Think about when when somebody is feeling overwhelmed. The question of, where are those boundaries coming from? Are you feeling overwhelmed because you’re not able to say no? Is there a piece of you that wants to please so much that you take on more than you really can or have the ability to fulfill. In those cases I think that helping with some essences that support that boundaried nature can really help to relieve stress. Because then you’re starting to recognize what your limits are, because we all have limits. We all have things that we want to do, but we just can’t. I look at Oak for that, which is one of the Bach essences as well. And I think that Oak is really really helpful for people who have a lot of strength. I think Oak is kind of one of the “mom” remedies when you’ve got a lot of dependents, whether that’s at home or at work or what have you. In order to help you learn to delegate a little bit more and to release some responsibilities so that everyone can start to pull with you rather than you going, “OK I can do one more thing” and dragging it all along behind me. Oak helps you learn what your limits are before your body breaks down. I always think of the oaks in the winter time in my area. 

 [00:15:45] After storms you see oaks just sort of shattered and falling in pieces you know big limbs fall off or the whole tree falls over and that’s kind of the signature of oak. It can live for a couple hundred years but boy when it goes it falls to pieces and just in the middle of the night, and boom! And I think that’s kind of that Oak pattern of somebody that’s like hangingin there “I can do this I can do one more thing” and then boom they’re just felled because they’ve overwhelmed themself for too long. 

Rochana Felde [00:16:14] What is so amazing about it because I live in an oak, mixed conifer, oak redwood forest and so they’re everywhere. The way they grow and their limbs growing horizontally over roads. You know I’ve got a big one over my driveway and I feel like it’s a protective arm. You know that’s like reaching out and protecting the property. And it’s kind of miraculous to see these heavy limbs grow so far out on that horizontal plane that it sort of blows my mind. Maybe you can speak more about about why that happens with the oak. But it also supports so much life in the forest. It’s incredible the squirrels and the birds and even the other plants around it. There’s bay trees at the base of pretty much every every oak around here feeding off of it or growing. You know I think it’s maybe it’s a mutual thing, and lichens and mosses I mean it’s the amount of life that that tree support is amazing. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:17:34] And Oak is really its own ecosystem. If you spend a few minutes just sitting with an oak and spending time with it you’d realize just how much life an oak supports not just above, like you’re saying, squirrels and birds and the amount of acorns an oak tree can can produce. So far in abundance of its own reproductive needs, right? I mean it is clearly not just doing that just in order to throw down a few new Oaks. The amount of poundage of how many oak acorns it can create, it’s astonishing. So it’s eating in abundance it’s feeding the birds it’s feeding the squirrels feeding tons of other creatures. Humans have been traditionally eating oak acorn everywhere that Oak grew naturally. And also we have that for lumber which is another element of what the oak provides. But I love to think about not just above the surface, but below the surface also. The oak has this huge mycorrhizal network that it’s tapped into. And so there’s fungi involved and there’s all sorts of insect life. The oak is just this gigantic giver of life. 

Rochana Felde [00:18:51] Yeah it’s pretty magical. There many also in all that sort of mundane action about how it’s part of the ecosystem and everything that it does. It has this sense of a magic to it. You know it’s got these gnarly twisted branches that grow and seemingly defying gravity and physics. It’s so beautiful and artistic. I just I do think that is a really special tree, and essence, great for what you’re saying with giving strength to somebody. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:19:41] I also look in, when we get into that realm of of boundaries, and kind of figuring out our limits. One of the other essences that comes up a lot for me in my practice is Pink Yarrow. Now all the Yarrows and, I’m sure you must use a variety of Yarrows in your practice also, because they’re indispensible. If you’re going for a generic Yarrow which would be more the White Yarrow. It is so helpful for creating boundaries, both energetic boundaries as well as physical boundaries. Yarrow is incredibly useful traditionally as an herb, it’s helpful for stopping bleeding. So it’s sort of like our our actual boundary of the skin is benefited by Yarrow. But in energetics with the flower essences the Yarrow really helps with our etheric boundaries and our energetic emotional boundaries. So the one that I think of the most for a lot of my clients is the Pink Yarrow. Pink Yarrow is so helpful for empaths and sensitives and that goes for our animal friends too because a lot of them are very linked into us. Pink Yarrow gives you that ability to differentiate your needs, and other people’s emotions and needs. Because a lot of us are so open and loving and caring that we sometimes forget that when we’re connecting to somebody else’s needs or emotions that we don’t have to take them on. And we can get really overwhelmed trying to manage everyone else’s emotional needs and Pink Yarrow helps you differentiate. “Oh I can see that you’re feeling that or I can experience you feeling that but it doesn’t need to be mine.” Do you find that to be it? 

Rochana Felde [00:21:29] Yeah absolutely. It’s it’s a go to essence for me personally. The Pink Yarrow and I also do like the White and the Golden Yarrow as well in herbalism. Yarrow,as you say, stops bleeding you can pick it from the yard and chew it up at your mouth and put it on a bleeding wound and it’ll help staunch that bleeding. But taken internally, it actually helps regulate the flow of blood which is really interesting. You can take it to the to bring on menses, or once there’s heavy menses to reduce that. It does both. So that’s a really interesting aspect of that herbal action and I like that extra insight into it, helping to regulate sort of inflow and outflow. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:22:29] And don’t you think that that’s one of the real assets and advantages of working with nature, of working with herbal or vibrational remedies is that they have an intelligence that helps to regulate things, whether it’s too much one direction or too much the other direction. We tend to think of, I’m going to use the word “dumb chemistry” you know, it doesn’t have any intelligence. You’ve just put it in. Take it and it does its action it whacks you on the head or it does whatever. You know, it makes this stop or whatever, but it’s not actually trying to regulate you into health. It’s kind of overriding your system into one way or the other. So I think that when you’re working with these remedies that are built in intelligence they know how to help balance you. They know you’ve got a little too far this direction, or a little too far this way, and they can kind of help bring you into the center. So with bleeding it is, you know external bleeding, internal bleeding, whatever it would be is that it’s actually helping to balance it. It’s not trying to knock down a symptom. 

Rochana Felde [00:23:34] Absolutely. And in herbalism there is a class of plants called adaptogens which are similar in concept in helping the body to adapt and deal with whatever is stressing it. So one that I really like that’s not just herbal but is also made into a flower essence. And I particularly like the one that Floracoepia makes is Rhodiola. They go to Iceland to make it. And it is just a potent adaptogen and creates that resistance to stress. It grows wild in extreme climates like right out of lava rock and in ice and powerful arctic conditions. I love the way that it helps just provide that sort of inner strength. That’s how I look at it, to handle whatever is is being thrown at you, whether it’s emotions or the news cycle or you know, Icelandic wind. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:24:59] And I think that I I love the idea of going to the essence first. Or of going maybe using it at in concert. What I see sometimes is that there’s some new herb, or not new, but some herb comes into consciousness and everybody goes “it’s an adaptogen!” Or it’s a whatever, and so it’s great for everybody! So everybody needs to be taking lots of it. And it’s just not sustainable. Let’s let’s save scarce resources for where they can be used best, rather than just all of a sudden everybody needs to be taking tons of things. So I love that you can take the essence of the Rhodiola and help start building yourself without needing to take a lot of plant material. It’s one of my favorite things that essences is that they’re so gentle to the earth because they’re so diluted. You don’t really need a lot of plants in order to make a lot of medicine. 

Rochana Felde [00:25:50] Absolutely. And you know also for the times when that herb might not be well tolerated by a person’s constitution. For example Valerian is a great nervous system sedative. It’s popular in sleep aids. But you know, I have a constitution that runs warm, and if I take it, I’m one of the percentage of the population that has adverse effects. If I take valerian root I’ll wake up in the middle of the night it’ll give me sweats and nightmares. So it’s not the herb that I can take but, I love the flower essence. And what’s really neat about it is if you haven’t seen the plant itself, if maybe you’re familiar with herbal medicine and you’ve taken valerian pills, or gone to an herb shop and taken the bulk dried root out of the jar, if you open that jar the smell of dirty socks. It’s very stinky, but the flowers are such a beautiful floral smell. It’s so amazing that the flowers smell so wonderful. I grow that California valerian. So it’s such a sweet plant. It’s really interesting when you see the plant form of something you might be used to in a different context so that the Valerian though the flower essence helping as, it helps us relax in a different way. I find that it’s helping in that transitioning state in other states of  consciousness, like between waking and sleeping. So where there’s stress and pain associated with isolation, or a belief of separateness, or sort of programming coming from outside of ourselves, Valerian flower essence helps connect to the soul group. That feeling of safety, and then a feeling of more control between sleeping and waking. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:28:20] Interesting. Yeah I’ve used it a little bit. The Flower Essence Society makes one in their Range of Light line they have a California Valerian, and then also Alaskan Essences has one in their research section. They have a Valerian which is I’m sure the typical Valerian species used for herbalism. So there’s a number of different Valerians that have been worked with as essences and yeah I like that concept that you can have the positive, the benefits of the “light side” of the medicine without something that’s sort of heavy and not well tolerated by a lot of people like you say. 

Rochana Felde [00:28:54] And it kind of goes deeper. You know it gets at it from another level, not just the physical. So I love looking at that but I love to talk about Chamomile too. I think Chamomile is one of the most wonderful stress managers of all. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:29:12] I love having a little cup of chamomile tea in the evenings. I find it very calming and soothing, but I really love to use the essence of Chamomile because it’s very, very helpful. It’s very gentle as an essence. Some essences can be less gentle than others. They’re all certainly more gentle than the most strong of any other kind of medicine but they can still be a little more catalytic. But the flower essence of Chamomile, I use the one from FES. It’s so gentle. I think the best indication for when Chamomile is helpful is is when you get nervous or upset and your stomach goes off. You know, you get a nervous tummy, or you get a little bloated, you don’t digest well or any of the other possible digestive issues that can come along with a nervous stomach and the Chamomile essence is really helpful for that. And have you worked with a different type of Chamomile? 

Rochana Felde [00:30:06] No, I use the German Chamomile that’s used in herbalism. I have worked with Roman Chamomile from an aromatherapy standpoint, but not the flower essence for that yet. I can’t wait to try it. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:30:22] And that’s that’s the fun thing about flower essences. There’s always more to explore, always more to learn about. I know that Pineapple Weed in the Alaskan essence line is in the Chamomile family. I’m not quite sure what the botanical relationship is. And that’s really great with kids too or with big kids for helping get more grounding. It really helps with sort of those awkward clunky-ness in your body. So I’ve used I use that quite a lot with my animal clients.  

Rochana Felde [00:30:54] That the pineapple weed is just starting to grow right now I know. And anywhere you look down on a on a gravel driveway you will see it. I love that little wild Chamomile and I can’t remember the botanical name either. But, the German Chamomile, one of the things that I find is, it helps give you that permission to relax. I feel like it helps with the permission. We don’t give ourselves permission enough to to to relax and if we’re feeling neglected from others, or self neglect, that Chamomile is a good one for that as well. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:31:45] Well that’s really interesting from the element like you’re saying, that permission to relax. If you think about it from the different types of states of the nervous system when you’re in the parasympathetic nervous system which is calm. It’s also relax and digest. So when we’re always in sympathetic “go go go go” fight flight, active, active, active we’re never giving ourselves a chance to actually digest. We might cram food in our mouth but it’s going to be very hard to digest and you’re likely to get an upset stomach because you’ve never given yourself time to breathe and send the signal to your nervous system”okay now it’s time to actually do something that food and take it all the nutrients out of it”. So I think that’s kind of part of the culture is is that we think that eating is finished by the time you swallow it when in fact there’s a lot more than just that happening. 

Rochana Felde [00:32:40] Yes. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:32:41] And it needs to happen in the state of calm and relaxation rather than running around like a maniac. 

Rochana Felde [00:32:47] Yeah. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:32:49] Can we talk about lavender? Yeah I want to talk like lavender. 

Rochana Felde [00:32:52] It was on the tip of my tongue. I want to talk about lavender too. Yes. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:32:57] Yay! Lavender everyone’s favorite. I’ll let you start because you’re all ready to roll. 

Rochana Felde [00:33:07] You know, obviously, everybody knows about lavender, and how it’s pretty popular and common in both as an herb and as an essential oil. For it’s used for relaxation, and the flower essence is also used for that. But the aspect that I see when I work with lavender is around irritability and agitated tension. The other aspect it has to do with that worry about the future. So those anxious thoughts, kind of what you were talking about earlier, imagining worst case scenarios. You know all of that is about not being in the present and projecting into the future. So the lavender energy I think of as “serenity now” just like in Seinfeld, “serenity now!”. Have you seen that episode? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:34:20] I don’t think I caught that episode, but there’s nothing about living in New York that would be have anything to do with serenity in any way, shape, or form. 

Rochana Felde [00:34:28] So lavender gives us that knowledge that saying “hey you know, all is well now and in the future, so you can release that fear, tension, worry, whatever, that’s coming from another place and time that’s not right now”. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:34:46] Yeah I just see the mental image for me of the lavender flower essence is just like it’s sort of pets the nerves so that they’re just calm and smooth. It’s just sort of, tone down the whole nervous system, get everything to sort of ease and shake off. Now, you can kind of reset to a new state, to a new calmer, more centered, more aware state, rather than a reactive one. Which is the hot, fired up nerves just react react react react and that’s probably not a healthy way to live. Let’s let’s find a way to find a response rather than a reaction. 

Rochana Felde [00:35:27] Yeah. What other essences do you want to talk about?

Kathleen Aspenns [00:35:32] Well, I’ve got quite a few others. One of the ones that I was just thinking of just now is, we’re talking about nerves and stuff. Let’s talk about stinging nettle a little bit. I think that it’s such an important herb and it’s one that’s just starting to pop out so much right now in my garden. And you know I can’t wait to don some gloves first, and pick a few to make some tea or to maybe make some sort of a addition to some soup or something. But I think the stinging nettle is another one to talk about when we talk about nerves. When we’ve got those really fired up nerves, and I look at it as being a shielding kind of an essence. If you look at those little hairs on if, maybe microscopically almost you have to look at those little hairs, that the stinging part. But they help keep its space and it helps you as an essence. It helps to not only calm your nerves but help you feel a little more safe in your space so that you’re not feeling so triggered and aggravated all the time. 

Rochana Felde [00:36:39] Yeah it’s a great boundary one as well because of that. Also I see nettle as a flower essence for transformation of pain, and fear, facing your fear. It’s really interesting because those little hairs that you’re talking about they’re like tiny hypodermic needles that have that substance in them that causes the sting. Or because it’s been used, what’s the term, urtication? That’s what it’s used for, when you slap the nettle against the skin and it causes that that redness and that histamine response. But so interesting is that it’s taken in herbal medicine for allergies, to alleviate the histamine response from pollens and hay fever and seasonal allergies. So, my brain is going back around to the California poppy that in the case of allergy being sort of an uncontrolled over reaction, and nettle the flower essence helping us to again have have a reaction that is not too much for what we’re dealing with. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:38:18] Yeah right. Once again, it’s that polarity where you see both sides of it. It has this quality of of causing that inflamed reaction, but also like the other side of it is that it helps you not have that reaction. Right. But it all falls into that doctrine signatures theory. 

Rochana Felde [00:38:39] And the pain, that urtication is actually used for pain relief. So it causes the sting, causes the pain, but then for some people just like bee sting therapy it can be medicinal. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:38:51] In any sort of thing like that, the capsaicin that somebody would use for arthritic pain, that sort of thing. 

Rochana Felde [00:38:59] Right. Right. Harnessing that response. Yeah. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:39:03] I feel like we’ve gone through a lot of different essences. Is there maybe one more, or two more that you feel like talking about?

Rochana Felde [00:39:17] The Coast Redwood. As we’ve talked in previous episodes, you know we are kind of going down lists, and talking about different flower essences but you and I both create custom formulas for people and do so with a sense of balance, and hitting the different areas that need to be addressed. But in the formula itself, I always like to include a tree or two or more, and especially for this topic. Because trees are so grounding in general. The coast Redwood is such an amazing tree. I know I’m biased, because that’s where I live, and you know one of the tallest trees or the tallest tree on the planet is it’s sibling Sequoia. The biggest in diameter tree on the planet, they can live to be 3000 years old, and they are resistant to fire. So you know there’s a big clue being in resistance to inflammatory issues. But what I love about them the most is that they’re a family. You know they don’t grow in isolation. They grow in groups and they feed their family members with their root system underground. So even if they’re not connected above ground, when you see redwoods growing around each other they are connected by their root system. And even though their root system is quite shallow, it doesn’t go deep down into the ground, it goes wide and you know it can go several miles wide so it’s very stable. There’s stability there in reaching out to your support system. In that family support, and whether that’s your given family, or your chosen family. That support system at Redwood helps us do that and it also because it’s such a tall tree. I feel like it helps us better see the big picture in situations. So like taking the long view and that helps us to not get so caught up in the minutia. You know the stressful minutia that might be happening from minute to minute. We can take a step back and see the big picture, and if we need support we could reach out to our to our community.

Kathleen Aspenns [00:42:30] Yeah. I love the redwood and I do use that a lot. Like you said when I’m creating a formula is not just sort of using essences topically. Okay, this is maybe the primary issue, or complaint, but also creating that structure. And including a tree is really valuable. I do love to use the redwood as well I tend to use the one from the Range of Light from FES. And that has that for me, as much as anything, it has that vertical channel that it brings that grounded, but also a rising up. Strength, that sense of self, and that knowing “this is who I am”. I love that image of that connection, because I think I’ve felt that before, but I never quite said it that way and I really love that. They grow so beautifully, like you say, in community, there’s almost never just one. There’s groups of them around and they have that cathedral feeling. And the cathedral is a group experience right? It’s not just a one person experience, if you’re in community, you’re with groups of other individuals.

Rochana Felde [00:43:38] Yes. I know, there’s so much analogy you can pull from it. I mean it has the thick bark. So developing a thick skin. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:43:48] But so but so open. You know they thrive in areas where there’s that ocean dampness that that spreads in over their leaves, and they suck in moisture from the air. So they have that that that connection to the airy realm and they create these whole habitats up in their branches. So they’re a little bit like an oak, in that it has this whole ecosystem. The redwoods, the coast redwoods, the very mature ones have ecosystems up up way above where we can see. 

Rochana Felde [00:44:22] They’ve taken water from the coastal fog. They’ve taken their moisture. You know I read about the rates that they do that, I can’t quote it but it’s a lot. As well, they detox the air, they’re cleaning the air for us basically. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:44:43] Yeah. Thank you plants. We would not be here without you. Right. You’re much needed. 

Rochana Felde [00:44:52] And I can’t wait till next time. Thanks Kathleen. Bye now. 

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