FEP29 Cultivating Resilience

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Resilience is a quality we are all being challenged to cultivate in this time. In our discussion, we talk about flower essences we rely on for ourselves and our clients, to build our inner resources and find connection and meaning in our lives.

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Show Transcript

Rochana Felde: [00:00:40] Hello, friends. This is Rochana Felde and Kathleen Aspenns with The Flower Essence podcast. And today, we want to dive into what the meaning of resilience is and how we can support that with flower essences. This time in history, I know every podcast now starts out with those words, but we’ve been under some sort of lockdown since March of this year. We’re recording mid-October. So it’s been seven months of some sort of Coronavirus lockdown and not really any end in sight at this point and in the Western states of the US and probably other places. But we’re in California, and we’ve been dealing with wildfires since the beginning of August. We’ve had several major fires near both of our homes and continuing to have smoke blow over from the August complex fire, which is north of us, not anywhere threatening us, but it’s now called a gigafire. It’s the first one in history over a million acres. And we’re not even halfway through what we consider fire season in the state. We’re in the middle today of a red flag warning, which means it’s fire weather where something can easily spark. And we have trauma that’s coming up from a couple of years of some very serious close calls of wildfires. And so I’ve been really thinking deeply about this concept of resilience. And what does that really mean, and how do we cultivate it? Because at this point, we don’t have any other options. We’re going to have to be resilient in order to survive. So just some of the concepts around resilience and it’s sort of a buzzword. You hear it a lot. From a psychological standpoint, it’s really an ability to accept harsh reality by having an objective view of the situation without becoming overly subjective in emotional reaction or denial, and then to somehow find some meaning in what’s going on and then being able to just continually improvise, think on the feet, reach out to resources and use resources and seeing those possibilities. So how are you doing with this concept, Kathleen, of resilience, and how are you feeling about being resilient during these times?

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:03:49] I think like you, this is a day-to-day process. And some days I feel like, “Oh, I can do this,” and then other days, maybe not so much. So it’s really a dance that we’re doing. I don’t think that anybody who is coping with it by having some realization that this is really a big deal and not trying to bypass. If you are willing to embrace, well, embrace the suck because there is a lot. It’s not great. But just being able to sort of stay with it and recognize that this is hard and recognize that everybody around you is having a hard time. And I like that quality of just sort of recognizing that it’s difficult and connecting to others in the best ways that you can, I think that that’s been really a good mental health practice for me, as well as doing my absolute best to maintain the self-care practices that I do. What exercise I can do as long as the air is good enough for me to do it and just trying to focus on the things that I can control or manage. And so I think resilience is such an interesting idea. And I think there’s also an element to it that speaks to sort of the baseline level of trauma an individual has experienced. So somebody who hasn’t– and I don’t know. What do you think, Rochana? I think it seems like people who’ve experienced a lot of trauma have either figured out how to deal with it, how to deal with these sorts of things, or they wouldn’t have gotten this far. I don’t know. It’s kind of interesting how different people manage it differently.

Rochana Felde: [00:05:40] It is interesting. I mean, that’s what we see with our childhood adverse events. The ace score that you can take your online and take the test and see how many childhood adverse events that have happened in your life. And some people are very well balanced even having those and some people are not. And then, the same with different kinds of traumas. So, yeah, I mean, I definitely don’t have the answers to that. But it is fascinating and something I definitely look at and like to explore what is that quality that some individuals seem to innately have and others have to work at a lot harder? And it’s not the same for everything. Like you could be resilient in one area of life, but maybe not in another. And I find with being able to deal with these, I think the fire stuff is the hardest for me. It’s so stressful. There’s so much anxiety being in a high fire– living in a forest with high fire danger during climate crisis, during right now. I feel like I’ve gotten a lot better at a lot of things. Like now that I’ve had to evacuate a few times, I know what to bring with me. I have go-bags ready. I feel like in the moment of a crisis, I’m pretty good normally with looking outside the box for solutions and just making things work. But then it’s that in-between times, the waiting times, the aftermath times that are really challenging for me. And I do wonder, “Okay, is it going to get– is it going to get easier? Am I going to get a little more desensitized?” And maybe that’s starting to happen. We are in this red flag warning again, and I’m not as– I don’t know, I don’t even want to say anything worrying of jinxing it. So anyway, I’ll stop there.But I do– and then it’s day by day. And then maybe in a night or two, I won’t be able to sleep at all that night because of the stress. So it cycles. And I think what you’re saying about the self-care– and for me, really, it’s like not even just one day at a time. It’s just one thing at a time, one step at a time, “Okay, what do I need to do next? Okay, let’s do it. And then what do I need–?”  It’s just like that. Sometimes, that’s just the only way to get through the day.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:08:53] Yeah, and what you’re saying, that’s something that I keep reminding myself and I keep having these conversations with my clients to recognize and appreciate what we’re going through. It’s not normal times. Your capacity is not your normal capacity. In the before times, we had maybe so many hours of energy depending on our constitution and what was going on in our health and what have you. And I’m really finding that my capacity has reduced pretty significantly of the amount of focus or the amount of energy or the amount of whatever I have to spend each day. And just to recognize that that’s just what’s happening and to not beat myself up about it. And like I was saying that with client conversations, just because there’s this certain, wonderful illusion in the Western world that we’re as if we’re machines. We should just be able to produce the same amount every day of the week, every week of the year. And it does not respect that we are going through a crisis time and that we’re going through a lot of grief for what was happening before, what our lives were like, and the loss of all of our plans and the things that we were excited about doing. And a lot of those things are just gone, as well as those who have actually lost people. So just recognizing that I think is helpful because then you’re not beating yourself up, like, “Why am I not doing so much better? Why am I not having my best life right now? It’s like, well– 

Rochana Felde: [00:10:39] Nobody is.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:10:40] I don’t know that anybody is. So I think that’s part of resilience, too, is just recognizing like, “Yeah, it’s not great right now. It’s tough.” Everyone’s having a tough time.

Rochana Felde: [00:10:51] Yeah. And resilience doesn’t mean you don’t feel the intensity of the event or the problem. It’s just about how you deal with it. And I like, well, the concept of having that objective view. I think that Coast Redwood is a really lovely essence for that. We’ve talked about it a few times. That’s one of our favorites. It’s the tallest tree in the world. It can grow to be like seven stories taller than the Statue of Liberty. And it can also live to be thousands of years old in the right conditions. And so I’ve always seen it as a wonderful message for just seeing the big picture. I imagine myself up at the top of that Redwood tree and being able to just see for miles and miles all around, the big picture, the forest for the trees, so to speak. And just taking that longer view of what’s happening and our place in it. And then, there’s so many aspects of that Redwood tree that speak to resilience; the root system is shallow, but it laterally connects to all of the other root systems from the redwoods around it. So it has a network of support and community that we want to always remember to lean on our community for support and to reach out, that we’re a part of this together.And then I’ve really been meditating on the bark lately. It’s just so fascinating. Now, people from around the world who do not live on the West Coast or have not visited the West Coast of the United States may have never met a Redwood, and it’s just a very unique, special, I think, magical tree. The bark can be– it can get to be like 12 inches thick, and it is fire-resistant, so unless the wildfire is one of the super, mega fires. If it’s just a regular wildfire like California has evolved to– the ecosystem has evolved to be a fire adaptive ecosystem, the Redwood is resistant to the fire, and the fire can just go through a Redwood forest and actually not hurt the trees. And part of that is the thickness of the bark. And the other part is the tannins of the bark. So it makes it also resistant to disease. It doesn’t get the diseases that a lot of other trees get. And so I feel like there’s this protectiveness about it. It’s just got this energy of protection. And when you hear, though, the story of the bark and how thick and protective it is, you might imagine something that’s like armor-like, but it’s not. It’s soft, and it’s squishy. You can push against it, and it’s got some bounce. It kind of pushes back a little like, slightly like memory foam when I think about it, which is, it’s just not what you would imagine for something that’s fire-resistant and protective. And so that quality of it having that protectiveness yet softness, that bouncing back, I think about, well, that’s resilience. It’s that bouncing back. So I, more than ever now, feel that Coast Redwood is just a really appropriate flower essence.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:14:59] Mm-hmm. Yeah. It is one that I use a lot in my practice and reach for often because it does have that quality, that quality of, I think of it like backbone. It’s like finding your center, your essential spinal column that keeps you standing up, that keeps you going. And instead of collapsing into a puddle, it’s like Redwood gives you that oomph to keep going. I’ve really been watching them in the– watching from getting around Sonoma County and seeing ones that are– even the ones that were in the dreadful fire zone in ’17 that were burned back to stumps essentially, are regrowing So they have that ability to, that inherent resilience of, even if they’ve been burned badly, they can come back. And certainly the ones in forests you see growing from rings, they can be struck by lightning. And even if the whole tree comes apart, they will send up babies from around the center of the tree or from the perimeter of the tree, let’s say. And that’s kind of a cool quality. And maybe there’s something about this ecosystem where we live in California that has these inherent qualities of resilience during drastic and massive changes because another tree that I was thinking about for this show is the Madrone.And the Madrone also has– it could not be a more different tree, truly, but as far as the way it looks and where it grows and all of those things, but it does also have that same quality of being able to come back from profound devastation. After the wildfire’s burned through, it can burn all the way down to the ground and still grow back. And so it’s got that profound resilience, but it has a quality of gentleness to it as well. The essence has this very soft maternal quality. So it has that Earth Mother quality that helps to rebuild trust that there is somebody looking out for you. I think that that’s one of the big pieces that we lose when terrible things happen, when really difficult things happen. We lose that sense of trust. We lose that sense that, like, the world is not a safe place for me. And Madrone can be one of the essences that can really help to rebuild that quality of trust in, particularly, through the feminine quality of Earth and Earth Mother.

Rochana Felde: [00:17:58] Yeah, I have several Madrones as well on the property where I live. They’re all over. And they are another really fascinating looking tree. They have red– their bark is also red or their hardwood is red and their bark peels off quite–  you’ll see lots of peeling limbs everywhere. And it does that to stay cool. It’s not a sign of disease. It’s just the way the tree is. And it’s really unique. You don’t really see it like other– I don’t think there’s other trees that do it like that, that are quite like that. And so that’s interesting what you say. I hadn’t thought about Madrone for that resilience. I think of it as one where you’re peeling back the layers and finding your strength within. It’s such a hard– it’s a very thin bark with such a hard wood, and it’s very smooth and hard, that wood underneath. And so to me, I look at it as finding that strength within and being able to actually– yeah, to peel back some of the psychological layers and embrace the inner self.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:19:29] Yeah, that quality of endurance is perhaps where we’re looking right now with– we’re in the long run with all of these processes that are going on right now. And if we can’t sort of take a breath and take a beat and recognize that this is not a sprint – this has never been a sprint, and now it’s really not a sprint – and we have to just conserve and recognize, like, “Okay, this is something that we’re going to be dealing with for a while. There isn’t going to be a magic wand that’s going to make it all go back to normal, whatever normal was,” and finding that way to kind of set our eye, to set our expectations into a realistic sense, I think is also part of resiliency. I remember some interview some time ago or an article I read with Viktor Frankl. He wrote an amazing book called, Man’s Search for Meaning. And I think if I’m remembering correctly, and I believe I am, that what he described was the people that survived life in the concentration camp. The ones who were perpetually hopeful and always super positive, they weren’t the ones who survived and the ones who were despondent and despairing also weren’t surviving. The ones who actually just sort of took the day as it came and didn’t give up, but also didn’t expect every day that it was magically going to be saved, those were the ones who had the endurance to survive. And I always remember that. And it reminds me of my ancestors particularly. And I think that– I think you and I were having a little conversation about this the other day. Just connecting to the strength of our ancestors in this time, because this is a time that will be remembered for a fairly long amount of time, as was the times that our ancestors endured as well. And I just keep checking in with my paternal grandmother who survived extraordinarily difficult times. She was a widow with a young son, my father, and fled the Soviet invasion in Latvia and spent years in a relocation camp and then got on a boat and came to the United States like, “Wow.” To endure that and to have that strength, I feel like that speaks– I’m not doing anything like that now. I can do this. I can do this. And I think that all of us have people like this in our bloodlines who know how to do really hard things.

Rochana Felde: [00:22:36] Absolutely. And I really resonate with that. And it’s probably one of the reasons I got really into genealogy as a hobby in my life. That’s been ongoing for a long time now. I think family stories are just so important if you can find out who your ancestors are and talk to the living elders in your family that are still around that can tell you these kinds of stories. It’s just meaningful on so many levels. And I think it’s a really valuable way to feel like not only that you’re not alone and that your ancestors have gone through things way harder than you’ve gone through, but to know that they’ve passed those genes on to you. We would not be sitting here today if it was not for our ancestors. They lived and died so that we could live now. And we have all of that within us, all of that stamina and power that they had in order to survive. And for my own research I have, there’s just persecuted groups all over. There’s my Irish ancestors that were sent on convicts ships to Australia and were convicts and then indentured servants. And then, an extraordinary situation happened where my fifth great grandfather gained his freedom. But he could never go back to Ireland on that condition. And so that’s how after a while, that family group emigrated to Puget Sound, Washington. And then on the other side, there’s Germans, farmers that came in the 1830s to Illinois and their struggles to farm, and the reason why they came over.And then I also have a Mayflower ancestor, and she was the 13-year-old girl, Mary Chilton, and many stories and paintings have been written about her. And if you can only imagine, they came because of religious persecution. And her parents died before they even stepped off the ship. They were docked in that harbor for months during the cold winter and many of them died from disease. And so here’s this 13-year-old girl on her own, basically in the new world. And after that horrendous journey, trying to survive, I can only imagine how tough that must have been. And then finally – and I don’t even know all the stories; these are just a handful – but another– I have Chickasaw ancestry. And that means that somebody walked the Trail of Tears in being completely, brutally, ripped from their home and everything they knew. So knowing these stories really gives me a lot of strength. And I think that if you don’t have– if you haven’t looked into genealogy or talked to family members to find these stories, it’s a really valuable thing to do and so important right now. I think it could be really, really helpful for what we’re going through right now.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:26:28] Yeah. It is a valuable use of your energy and time to get to know your ancestors. They can be flesh and blood. We can recognize them. And one of the essences that I use a lot for ancestral work, whatever that might be, is a formula from Desert Alchemy called Ancestral Patterns. And most of the time when I’m using it in context with clients, I’m using it because somebody has a dysfunctional pattern in their ancestry and they want to work with it and to work to heal it, which is wonderful work to do. But it can also be used to access the resilience of your ancestors. It can be used to access the gifts of your ancestors. You may have an ancestor who is great at building a business or was great at any of the other things that are in your line. And so you can connect to your ancestors through that particular essence, get the gifts of them, not just things we always look at as the burdens, perhaps.

Rochana Felde: [00:27:39] Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, another tree essence that I like is Willow for this. I mean the Willow tree is pretty well known in how flexible those branches are. Really speaks to its flexibility, its energy for flexibility. And it also has that quality of regrowing, just it can be cut down to nothing and regrow. What’s really neat about Willow, too, is I don’t know if you’ve ever used Willow water or made Willow water? If you cut pieces of Willow and soak it in water for 24 hours to 48 hours, it has a rooting hormone in it. And you can use that with all of your plant cuttings to root other plants. And to me, that’s a quality that just there’s such a life force there that no matter what, it helps that new life, sprout that new life. And that’s got a hopefulness to it to me.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:28:55] How cool. Yes, I had actually. I wasn’t connecting the dots, but yes, I knew that you could do that, get rooting hormone essentially out of soaked Willow water. And the Willow is one of Bach’s essences, and it’s so good for that inflexibility that we can build ourselves into. We can get mentally inflexible or physically inflexible, but it allows that movement. It allows that free movement of emotions. It allows us free movement of what can be kind of rigid ideas and beliefs. And I think in this moment, that quality of resiliency that you say, the Willow can come back from being completely cut down, that’s one of the pieces that we can emphasize in ourselves that no matter what we’ve lost, no matter what we’ve had to release, we can always come back. We can always bring it back from the ground level without needing that fierce– not that. Rigid structure, let’s say. We can do that with a flexibility, with a creativity, perhaps.

Rochana Felde: [00:30:06] Yeah, exactly, that creative force. That’s how I see it too. And it’s also such a water energy and this energy of compassion as well. So as you’re going through that adversity, coming back from adversity, you can do that with self-compassion and self-reflection.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:30:32] Yeah, yeah. One of the other essences I use a lot for this topic of resiliency and also connecting to ancestors, the Joshua Tree, which is one of the essences from FES, their range of light essences. It also has that quality of helping you build out those positive qualities of your ancestors and connecting to the benefits of your ancestors and not just some of the challenges that you may have absorbed from the patterning that comes along with your DNA. It’s a really remarkable tree. It’s really a– it grows out in the desert, and it’s a pretty harsh environment. And yet when it blooms, like a lot of these Yucca type of plants, it has a remarkable, beautiful white flower that’s just really striking and lovely.

Rochana Felde: [00:31:31] I haven’t used that one. That’s fascinating. But I know that tree gets a lot of good press sometimes. It’s just because of its uniqueness.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:31:43] Yeah.

Rochana Felde: [00:31:43] I guess I don’t know why U2 named their album after that, but maybe that’s something to find out. Yeah, yeah. And I also haven’t really worked with the Ancestral Pattern’s blend that you were talking about. Desert Alchemy has some really interesting essences and combinations. And because they’re from the desert, I can see how they are also, in general, probably there’s a lot that are good for resilience in that line.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:32:17] Yeah, I have been– it’s a line I really love. And there are times where I use it more than other times, right? And I think you’re right in this moment, I have been reaching for their essences quite a lot because there is that quality of endurance, of managing really harsh situations, and taking advantage of what the good stuff is, right, because desert plants, they endure, endure, endure. And then when it rains, they really go to town taking up all that water and building those reserves for what they know will be hard times to come. So there’s a certain quality there of helping us to manage and yet, make as much beauty as we can with what we have available to us.

Rochana Felde: [00:33:08] It’s funny that you say that. I’ll just say I was sitting near one of my Redwoods the other day attuning with it and just hearing what it had to say, and a squirrel jumped right in front of my face. I thought it was going to jump on me, and it jumped up the Redwood and scrambled up. And the squirrel energy just came into my meditation. And I felt like that was part of the message that they gather all their acorns and nuts and stash them around and save them for the hard times of winter. So I just was reminded of that when you said that, that quality of making the most of the good time or the abundance and preparing for when you won’t have it. And that’s definitely a quality of resilience.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:34:10] Yeah, for sure. And another essence that I’ve been using a lot from the Desert Alchemy as well is the Saguaro. And Saguaro has that absolute quality of resilience. And one of the pieces that’s coming up quite a bit is that concern over authority and structure because there’s not a lot of trust in authority at this moment. I’m not going to go too far down that road. But a lot of us are feeling a lot of concern over who’s in charge and who is running the show. And Saguaro can help us to find our inner sense of authority and to be able to check in with ourselves about what’s right and what’s not right and to be able to stand up really clearly in our knowing of what is right and what is not right, and also to help us learn to trust in those we should trust in because if we have no trust, we can’t have any sort of society. And we have to live together. We have to work together. We have to find some levels of trust. So the Saguaro has been a really good ally essence for helping with all that series of issues, which is definitely up for a lot of people right now.

Rochana Felde: [00:35:43] Absolutely. One that I definitely would have to bring into the mix is Dandelion, and it’s just one that we use both a lot. And it’s just such a plant of survival. It always comes back no matter how many times people try to eradicate it. And it’s got this energy of sun and growth and a little bit of a warrior. But this is how I see the ally of Dandelion. And it’s just so grounding. It’s got a very deep tap root, and that is another part of it.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:36:35] Yeah. And it has that sort of strength in adversity, sort of energetic. It’s like, “You can’t stop me. Ha, ha, ha.”

Rochana Felde: [00:36:44] Exactly.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:36:44] So that essence is really valuable because when we just get knocked down by life and having something like Dandelion in our formula can help bring us back up.

Rochana Felde: [00:36:54] Yeah. With hope for the future and making your wishes when you blow on the Dandelion puff. So there’s an element to that. It’s not just about, yeah, that strength and coming back, I love how it has sort of this, the solar energy of manifestation at the same time.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:37:22] Yeah, for sure.

Rochana Felde: [00:37:23] What were you going to say?

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:37:24] Oh, I was just saying I know that there’s a gem or two that we wanted to bring into this conversation before we bring it to a close because there’s so many essences we could talk about, but we just kind of wanted to talk about ones that we really think about with that resilience quality in mind.

Rochana Felde: [00:37:41] Yeah. So for me, I like the Pearl a lot because it’s so easy. As you were saying earlier about just having this limit– we have this limited capacity for dealing with stuff when we’re under this kind of pressure, and it’s really easy to lash out in irritation and be really affected and irritated about things that normally might not be a big deal, but because they’re piled on top of everything else, everything is a problem. And so Pearl helps with that accepting what’s happening no matter how irritating it is, and just opening back up for life to flow because when we are in that state of irritation, we’re actually making everything harder than it needs to be. And if we want to make things easier, we kind of let that go and learn to go, just to open back up that channel instead of keeping it closed.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:38:53] Yeah. And also, that signature of Pearl, it’s just it’s making something beautiful out of adversity, right?

Rochana Felde: [00:39:02] Yeah. That too.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:02] The Pearl starts as a piece of grit in the oyster and the oysters works it and works it and works it and creates something lovely out of it.

Rochana Felde: [00:39:12] Yeah. Working the problem. That’s what we got to do is work the problem.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:16] That’s what we’re doing.

Rochana Felde: [00:39:16] Yeah, yeah.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:18] That’s what life is about at this point certainly. We’ve got a lot of problems to work, so, yeah. But, yeah, that’s always a good essence. It has that soft quality, and it has that gentle feminine quality of working a problem rather than the slash and burn quality of working a problem. It’s just more like, “Well, let’s just smooth it and soothe it and make it a little easier if we can.” Lovely.

Rochana Felde: [00:39:46] And Rainbow Hematite might be another good one. I think that’s really helping with having that objective viewpoint. And the way it does that is by grounding our perceptions, grounding our vision, what we see, how we’re seeing it, and it helps us see more accurately without judgment and being reactive, overly emotionally reactive to what’s happening. So it’s a master grounding stone, too. I think it’s interesting that we both picked a lot of trees and stones for this episode. And that makes a lot of sense because we definitely need to be grounded in order to move through this.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:40:37] Yeah, for sure. Well, I hope that’s been helpful to all of you out there listening to help really build some resiliency and help you manage these challenging times. It’s a thing. We’re all going through it. And hopefully, some essences can smooth your way and to help you feel more grounded and just more resilient as you work this challenge. And both of us are working this challenge, too. We’ve both been working hard on some independent projects and are really excited to be starting on some new areas of education and sharing. And Rochana, do you want to share a little bit about what you’re working on these days?

Rochana Felde: [00:41:25] Well, lately, I’ve been working on a course for highly sensitive people and empaths using flower essences and herbs to balance the nervous system. So that’s been an ongoing project for a little bit. But I’m really excited to hopefully get something out to help my highly sensitive people at a broader scale than just working one on one with clients. How about you? I know that you’re working on courses, too.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:42:02] Yeah, I’ve been really excited for several years now working on some distance learning projects. I completed and launched earlier this year a project with my other co-specialty, working with horses. And I created a project called The Nervous Horse course, and that can be found on my website at kathleenaspenns.com. And it’s really fun. I’ve been really loving working with these new students, helping them learn these techniques that are flower essences, of course, but also acupressure and Tellington TTouch to help them and their horses calm and relax. So that’s been a really fun project and really embracing the moment because we’re all spread out and all over the place. It’s been really fun to see the advantages of online learning opportunities. And I’m working now on a course for anxious dogs. So I’m excited about getting that out. Probably, we’ll both be having our courses ready about the same time in another month or two, and that’ll be really fun to get going and helping people and animals feel better.

Rochana Felde: [00:43:17] Yeah, that’s wonderful. And so we’ll keep everybody apprised of our progress. I think these projects are so– they bring a lot of hope into my heart about what we’re offering into the world and sort of birthing, I guess, like we did with this podcast.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:43:45] Well, and both of us continue to work with our clients and helping people on a one on one basis as well. So if you’re needing help and you’re needing some essences for yourself, either of us, we’re both available for that as well.

Rochana Felde: [00:44:01] Yeah. And you can find our contact information on the website. And if you are enjoying this podcast, please remember to give us a review or some stars on iTunes and what other platforms you’re on and that will help other people find us as well.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:44:20] Yeah, we really want to spread the message of flower essences as far and wide as we can because, boy, we’re all really in need of some support right now and some resiliency.

Rochana Felde: [00:44:30] Absolutely. Thanks for another great chat, Kathleen.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:44:34] It’s been really nice spending time with you, and thanks everyone for listening. We’re really glad that you’re part of the show, too.

Rochana Felde: [00:44:41] All right. Bye-bye now.

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