Join Kathleen and Rochana with special guest Sarah Holmes, Clinical Herbalist, Herbal Highway Co-Host, and Teacher at the Blue Otter School of Herbal Medicine.
We chat about how she incorporates flower essences and “spirit doses” of herbal tinctures in her practice, and we go deep into conversation about the interconnectedness of mind/body/spirit, how spirit medicine works in the physical, and conversely, how physical issues can affect the spirit.
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Kathleen Aspenns: [00:00:43] Welcome back to the podcast. It is a real treat today. We have a good friend, Sarah Holmes, with us today to share with you on the podcast. She’s been in private practice as a clinical herbalist since 1998, and she offers consultations in person and by phone as a clinical herbalist. She works with individuals to support them in regaining and maintaining their health through herbs, diet and flower essences. She addresses the physical, emotional and spiritual from an energetic perspective and believes strongly in the interconnectedness of mind, body and spirit. She is trained in both Native American and Western herbalism, and, with Karyn Sanders, created and founded the Blue Otter School of Herbal Medicine beginning in 2003. In addition to the programs at Blue Otter, she travels and teaches at other schools and conferences. You may have heard her as a co-host of the Herbal Highway on KPFA Public Radio. That program has been going since 1998. It is an incredible asset to the herbal community. You can also find that as a podcast. So welcome. Welcome to the show. We are so happy to have you here.
Sarah Holmes: [00:01:54] Thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to be here with the both of you.
Rochana Felde: [00:01:58] Welcome, Sarah.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:02:03] And so we had a little bit of a conversation going ahead of time. And my real interest is to hear how you see that interconnection between herbs and flower essences. And I’d love to hear how you work with those on that continuum in the world of healing.
Sarah Holmes: [00:02:23] It’s endlessly interesting to me, really, that topic. And so there’s a place where… Well, it’s not just one place. I think there’s a lot of places where essences and herbs come together and they’re part of the same medicine. You know, first of all, they’re all from plants. So there’s that piece where we’re finding that connection of them all being together and they all carry vibration. So there’s this level of dosing that alters the vibration. So, for instance, if I’m formulating, I’m putting in plants where I want their physical action and where I want more of an energetic action. And so that depends on how much I’m putting in as a ratio between all of those. And so the essences are the least dense, if you will, vibration. And so I will oftentimes within a formula have plants that are working on a physical level. There’s more of them physically in the formula. And then I might have one to four drops of a given essence. Also in that same bottle. And I use the tinctures in that way, too. I might put one or two drops of a given plant tincture also in a formula to bring it to not the physical level, but the spirit level of that plant, the vibrational level of that plant. And so then there’s this interesting place where I use flower essences and drop doses of tinctures in a similar way within a formula or by themselves. And within those two, there’s some differences as well.
Rochana Felde: [00:04:17] So some of our listeners may not know that herbal tinctures can be used in this way, this vibrational way, that’s similar to how we use flower essences. And it’s called a spirit dose. And I find that that’s really interesting. How would you compare the difference between, say, a spirit dose of an herb and it’s correlating flower essence?
Sarah Holmes: [00:04:46] That’s that’s a piece that’s really interesting and I feel like the plants are still teaching me about that. And I do want to say that the plants that I have in there at larger doses still, of course, have vibration and still have their personality and energy as well. It just often manifests a little differently, I think is what happens. So what’s really fascinating to me is this crossover place between drop doses of tinctures and flower essences. And of course, that can vary from plant to plant because we have what are called low dose plants where a single drop is actually a physical dose. Plants that are very toxic. So there are exceptions as there are with everything in life. But I’ve had not only in my practice but in my teaching over the years, because we’ve had hours and hours of plant meditations that I’ve held and conducted in classrooms. And we’ll do those plant meditations with a single drop of a tincture or a single drop of a flower essence. And some people can respond differently to the plant. Some people find the vibration of a flower essence to be more easily accessible. And some people find a drop dose of a tincture more easily accessible. So it’s kind of an interesting place. And some people find both of them very accessible.
Sarah Holmes: [00:06:23] You know, so I think there’s a lot of factors there. And I don’t think there’s any like, oh, this person is more or less evolved. I don’t think it’s that at all. I think it’s really about how we are each beings of energy, too. And so what resonates within each of us is going to vary a little bit. That’s to me, a part of the beauty of all these different modalities of healing is that there’s something that’s going to resonate for everybody. And for some people, many modalities resonate for them and others, they’re just trying to find their one place. And so I think some of it also is a matter of familiarity. So it’s like what my energy feels like and what I’m used to in the energy fields around me is going to influence what I notice or what I can feel coming in from, say, a flower essence or a drop dose of a tincture. So there’s that place, so. But within a formula, say, for a client. It just depends on the medicine I want for that particular person. And do I think they’re going to resonate more? You know, I’m trying to think… It’s mostly I have this whole range of essences I’m using, whether they’re flowers or gems or environmental essences or drop doses of tinctures. So all of that’s in my apothecary and all of that’s what I’m drawing from. And then the particulars. Sometimes I do feel like, oh, I really want a flower essence for this person, or sometimes I really want a drop dose of a tincture for this person, and that’s that real individual place of what I’m feeling is going to resonate most for that person.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:08:30] And it’s something that’s probably changing over time as well. You’re working with somebody over a period of time to help align their health and maybe at one season or a different season, they might have a different response. Does that sound right?
Sarah Holmes: [00:08:45] It does. I think it really can change for people over time. And yeah, it’s hard to say. I mean, there’s this part of my brain that really wants to draw these sweeping conclusions about, okay. “These are the people that essences are going to work profoundly for. And these are the people that drop doses of tinctures are going to work profoundly for.” And it really isn’t that simple. I have to say, you know, I can speak to my personal experience of years ago. It was harder for me to feel a flower essence if I took, say, just a drop of flower essence. But at that time, what I noticed was I would feel it over time. I would feel it cumulatively where more often I would feel the drop dose of a tincture more immediately. And that’s changed for me over time. As I said, I think as they’ve become more familiar and also as I’ve become more familiar to myself, as we all hopefully do as each year goes by. So there’s this place of everyone’s experience that’s really different.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:10:00] Yeah, and it’s kind of cool how that premise of it working over time, you know, having been in the founding principles of Flower Essence therapy based on Dr Bach’s work. It was all about taking something over a period of time. And, you know, I loved his phrase of how they work like snow melting in the sunshine. Where, you know, you don’t really see it happening, but it’s happening when you look back over time. So sometimes we look for a kind of a.. as Western minded people we love to look for that magical “boom” over the head and a change. And in fact, healing is much more organic than that, I think.
Sarah Holmes: [00:10:47] I do, too. And absolutely, most people and myself included, if I’m going to be honest, we want that big experience, right? We really do. And I’ve seen essences give that to people in a single dose. And most of the time, that’s not what I see. And I think that’s one of those gifts that essences offer is that gift of patience and that gift of belief, because if you didn’t believe it at all, you wouldn’t even bother to take it. Right. So even people that are more skeptical about this vibrational level of the healing. If they’re taking it, then there’s at least a kernel of belief there or they wouldn’t even bother. And that’s what I’d like to nourish and nurture, is that kernel. And for some people, they’ve got the whole cob coming in right there, there with it. But we just want least to nourish and nurture that kernel of belief.
Rochana Felde: [00:11:46] I like what you are saying about the herbs. When you know, using herbs medicinally, as you would as an herbalist, how it also has a spirit effect as part of it. It’s all part of the plant. You know, a lot of times we try to define these differences between flower essences and herbs and essential oils and all of the things that can be made out of the plant. And you know, I’ll hear myself explaining a lot when I have to do these nutshell explanations that, you know, the herb is affecting your biophysical chemistry and the flower essences typically more on that emotional spiritual spectrum, except that’s just such a black and white answer that doesn’t really speak to what plant allies are really all about when it comes to that. You want to talk a little more about that?
Sarah Holmes: [00:12:49] I would love to. It’s a good point, and it brings me back to that original part that Kathleen pulled out of my bio about mind, body and spirit. And I think that phrase has gotten so common in the last few years that people don’t even really hear it or don’t even really think about it. And I think the spirit piece gets dropped out a lot. So to my way of viewing the world is that we’re spiritual beings. And right now we’ve got this physical body also. But our physical body is energy like everything that’s material is. Energy is vibrating as electrons and everything else that’s vibrating and moving. And there’s an energy field around every being, every living being as well. So our physical bodies are energy, too. They have an energetic to them also that goes way beyond hot or cold or those really kind of rudimentary constitutional definitions of energy. So there’s this place of… Even when I was teaching physiology to my students at herb school, I was still always trying to bring it back to the magic and the energy of our physical bodies also. And this is just the densest form of our being at this time. And so that physical energy and what’s happening within the body is just as important and just as much about the energetics as what’s going on in our hearts and what’s going on in our energy body as well.
Sarah Holmes: [00:14:42] So I’m not sure if I’d connected all that quite yet, because there’s a lot there. There’s a lot within that. So one example would be to talk about, say, somebody has lung issues. So I’ll talk about that because, you know, a lot of people are concerned about their lungs right now with what’s going on with the virus. So, you know, our lungs, obviously, are a physical organ. We know they’re there. We could be cut open and see them. Right. It’s something tangible, but there’s an energy and a vibration to what our lungs do in their important job of keeping us alive. And so we know from Traditional Chinese medicine that their definition of what the emotional correspondence to the lungs is grief. So what I see and what I was also taught in my training is that one can impact the other. So if there’s a physical imbalance in the lung, that can bring up grief for people. Likewise, if someone is going through grief, it can lead to, over time, a physical imbalance in the lungs. And I’ve been trained to believe, and I’ve seen it, and I really wholeheartedly believe that most of our physical imbalance, most of our physical diseases, have a root in the emotional and spirit bodies of us. And some of the things that I really wouldn’t even begin to put on a personal level, like COVID-19. Anyone who gets that, to me, like cancer, those are our collective manifestations of imbalance. Right. That us as a whole, globally, collectively, create imbalances that cause physical imbalances in others. You know, I should be more clear… Our collective spiritual imbalance can cause a physical imbalance in some people, or right now, in a lot of people. So that’s part of that perspective. So to me, I’m always looking at.. I want to support the physical, to support the emotional and the energy body, the spirit body and vice versa. You know, if someone’s grieving, I physically protect their lungs, if they have a physical imbalance in their lungs, I’m going to be paying particular attention to the grief in their life. Because the one is going to impact the other.
Rochana Felde: [00:17:33] Yeah, the listeners won’t see, but Kathleen and I have been nodding our heads for the last four minutes, we are very much in alignment with what you’re saying there.
Sarah Holmes: [00:17:45] And I’ve been talking with my hands. They’re not getting that either.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:17:50] And I love this aspect… To me it’s an ecological aspect, right? You know, we are our own ecologies, in, and of, our own bodies, but we’re also expressions of the greater whole of the planet. And these imbalances, they’ll reflect in us. And, you know, one of the things I love hearing and you haven’t said this specifically, but there’s so much judgment around a lot of diseases. And I really love this expansiveness that you’re bringing to this conversation of that there is space in it for the sorrow and the grief for what’s going on in the world. And also, we’re supporting the health of the individual mind, body, spirit, the whole thing. But it’s not about you did this wrong and therefore, you got this disease.
Sarah Holmes: [00:18:43] Absolutely not. It’s a fine line. It’s really easy to… If you have a disease, it’s really easy to hear the judgment in that. So I appreciate you bringing that out, Kathleen. Because there’s this place where it’s not about blame because there are plenty of amazing, self-actualized spiritual beings of people who get sick and die. And there are plenty of people who most would describe it as being very emotionally, spiritually out of balance, who live very long, healthy lives. You know, nothing is that cut and dried. And I think that’s important where I like to bring that out. What’s important about that to me is it’s something that we as individuals can do and participate. It’s a way we can participate in our health. Right, by how I’m thinking and how I’m feeling. Not to take it as a blame, but take it as an empowerment. Like this is something else I could be doing right. I might not be able to walk across the room. I might not be able to, you know, do X, Y or Z, but I can lay here quietly and visualize health in my body. And that’s actually going to help the physical body to heal. Right. So absolutely, there are the environmental impacts that are to me, that reflection of our collective spiritual imbalance have huge impacts on individuals. Absolutely. Absolutely. And there’s no blame, you know, and even even if it was something like that, maybe I had some habits that contributed to an illness I got. Where do those habits come from? Those habits probably came from an earlier trauma or an earlier learning. Right. So it still has its roots in my emotional, spiritual experience.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:20:57] So agree. I love that perspective and and also in addition, I like to reflect to people who are immersed in the process of helping themselves heal that the healing work they do inside also has an effect on the world. You know you know, not only is that the thing you can do, but you’re also positively impacting the world by working on your own healing. At least that’s my belief. I don’t know if that’s something you’re in alignment with as well.
Sarah Holmes: [00:21:28] Absolutely. Absolutely. I think one of the most radical political things we can do is to heal ourselves. You know that the dominant paradigm is not supportive of personal healing because then we’re in our power, and we’re in our hearts, and we’re in our power in a good way, in that balanced way, not in that power over or power under, but in that way of being all of who we are. Because nobody else can be. You know, each of us is the only one that can do us well. And hopefully we’re doing us well because no one else is going to do it. And so absolutely that that healing is so, so important. And so it’s all important. And, you know, to me, it’s just as important as demonstrating out on the street as it is volunteering in a nursing home or all that big long list of things that we can’t do right now. But there’s this place where, we can do this. We can work on this internal revolution, if you will, while we’re staying at home and staying in place and sheltering in place.
Rochana Felde: [00:22:44] Yeah. You know, herbalism, it’s always been medicine for the people, has been its tag line. I don’t know how that originated. And maybe you have an idea about that. But I’ve heard it so many times and it just originated from folk traditions around the world. And so it’s always been about having that empowerment. And what I think is neat too is flower essences sort of evolved. You know, Dr. Bach was a homeopath and a doctor, and left that in order to create medicines that were more accessible to people as well.
Sarah Holmes: [00:23:26] Absolutely. You know, there’s a place also.. One of the many reasons I love essences is because they’re such a gentle footprint on our environment. You know, it takes so little plant to make an essence. So many of our plants are getting loved to death. Right. They’re getting overharvested. They’re getting overused. And so there’s this place where that vibration is sometimes all we need. And that’s really beautiful. You know, I give this example sometimes of going back to my thesis, of the emotional, spiritual root of most things. So I used to get migraines when I was in my early adulthood. And I also was really codependent at that time. So I wasn’t good with my boundaries. And so what would happen was it took me getting a migraine to realize I was upset because I was not connected. I wasn’t tuned in. And then I got to where I noticed. Oh, my neck’s tightening up a little bit. What just happened? Right. And then I got to where my neck wouldn’t have to tighten up. I could register it in my heart or in my emotional body or in my logical mind. Oh, OK. That didn’t work for me. That didn’t sit right for me. I need to say something or do something. So sometimes it’s like, you know, how hard do I have to get hit over the head? And in my case, it was literally I had to get a headache to notice something. And so that continuum of the plant energy is similar to it “oh, could I just take an essence? Can I just take this vibration into my body? And relax enough and let it in enough to allow it to support me to be in greater balance?”. Right. Or maybe I need to take five drops of a tincture. To notice it, to bring that in, to let it shift my body, because to me, the plants and all their forms are about reminding us what we already know. They remind our bodies how to be in balance. They remind our hearts how to be in balance. They remind our minds how to be in balance. Right. So to me, it’s like. “All right. What? What do I need?” And hopefully I don’t need to get hit over the head, but I know sometimes I do. So we’re all we’re all human. Right. So that’s that’s part of our experience as well. To.
Rochana Felde: [00:26:14] How did you get started with flower essences, were they part of what you did when, I think you’ve been an herbalist since the late 90s? Were they something that you worked with since the beginning or did they come later?
Sarah Holmes: [00:26:27] I worked with them pretty much from the beginning because my main training in energetics as an approach to how I was working as a clinical herbalist just opened that up as a natural part of my practice as well. So I started incorporating essences in from the very beginning.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:26:51] Can you tell us a little bit about the differences, and or similarities between those aspects of Western herbalism and a native approach to herbalism, which I know is also part of your practice? Can you tell us a little bit more about that and maybe how it intersects with essences, if it does?
Sarah Holmes: [00:27:12] Sure, I can try to. So that aspect of my training comes from Karyn Sanders, and her lineage is Choctaw, which is a southeast nation. So I want to acknowledge that lineage. So from that perspective, that particular indigenous perspective, but many indigenous traditions share this perspective, is that there’s energy and vibration in everything.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:27:46] I’m just really curious because I think a lot of listeners are familiar with more Western forms of herbalism. But you know, every time I hear you talking about deer medicine or something, I’m just like, “What is that? Tell me more about that? I’d like to know more about that.” That native philosophy or approach to herbalism and how maybe there are some intersections with the vibrational.
Sarah Holmes: [00:28:11] What I found with my western herbalism training was it was much more focused on physiology and plant constituents. So much more focused on the chemistry and the denser realms of our experience. And a lot less focus on the subtler forms of our experience, both the emotional and the spiritual, energetic aspects. And so my understanding from what indigenous perspectives on healing is it’s connected to nature. This is about being connected to nature. And so that’s where many, many worldviews come together with what I consider universal truths, what I’ve found to be universal truths, in my limited experience in this world.
Sarah Holmes: [00:29:14] So every living being has energy and vibration and is a part of nature, including us human beings in our fumbling way. We are also a part of nature and not separate from – it’s the microcosm of the macrocosm that we are touching on earlier. Within myself there’s everything and the whole universe is within each of us. And so how could we even begin to think that we’re separate from the universe and from nature and from everything? And so we have these amazing gifts that these plants give us. And here we are in this place. I know a lot of thinking, caring people feel really bad about themselves for being human beings. And this is where it’s really important to remember it as part of our healing. And our collective healing is to embrace that we are nature and we’re a part of nature and to focus on getting each of our individual energy and vibration in alignment with nature. That’s part of the collective healing. And so instead of thinking of ourselves as this aberration of nature… Absolutely. We’ve caused a lot of problems. But that doesn’t mean that we’re not still children of this earth and a part of nature. And there is a way to bring ourselves back into harmony with that. And I think that essences can really help us with that. All the plant medicines can really help us with that, because they remind us of this. You know, they remind us of our place in that world. There’s a lot of big philosophical aspects of this that my little brain is going to try to go to, I’m not sure if I’m quite answering again, all of what you’re trying to get to here.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:31:40] I’m just in love with what you’ve been saying, and I’m sure you feel the same way, right Ro? It’s just so inspiring. And that’s something I feel so strongly, that connection to Earth, that we belong here. And, you know, you go out and you spend time with a plant, you spend time in nature. And you remember who you are, that you do belong here. You know, all of the imprints of guilt and shame and not enough ness – those are not ideas that we get from nature at all and there is no better medicine than plant medicine. And certainly the flower essences for helping us to remember who we are from here.
Rochana Felde: [00:32:27] We talk a lot on this podcast about getting out into nature and connecting with plants in whatever way people can. If it’s not in person, even by looking at pictures, just to really start to develop that relationship. And, you know, I firmly believe that the plants are the teachers. So, you know, the flower essences are sort of these little messages in the container from the plant, but you can get it right from the plant if you work with that.
Sarah Holmes: [00:33:01] Absolutely, and you know, I have the gift of a living in the country, I have space around me so I can go outside whenever I want. And I was really reflecting about that before we started our conversation today, because we are all hopefully staying home to protect each other. And in cities and places where there are much denser populations, I understand that getting out into the natural world is not as possible or even impossible for some people right now. But part of what you can do is any plant you have in your home, whether it’s your your Boston fern or your philodendron, you can it connect with that plant, or you can go into the spice rack in your kitchen and take a little bit of thyme in your hand and smell it and let your hand warm it up so you can take in that aroma. Just sit with it and feel it, you know, or do a steam with it. It’s that simple. You know, everyone has plants in their home. At the very least, you’ve got a handful of spices in your kitchen. And a lot of the food we eat are plants, you know, hopefully, I know probably not as much right now, because we can’t get to the grocery stores so much. But, you know, you have what you need in your home. It can be that simple. So really, if you do have some essences in your house or you do have some tinctures in your house. You can practice just sitting with them. You can just quiet yourself as much as you’re able to. Right now, I know that’s challenging, but relatively speaking, quiet yourself. Take one drop and just let yourself feel and without a big expectation of like, “oh, I’m going to have this peak experience right now in this moment”. You might, but you might not. And that’s OK, too. But just that quieting.. I’ve had this experience many, many times over the years with students early on in the program. And we do a plant meditation. You know, a handful of people will be like, “oh, that was really calming”. And then then the next plant, the next day, “that was really calming”. Like, all right, maybe, are you seeing a pattern here? Maybe it’s just a matter of, do you ever stop and just sit and let yourself be quiet? Right. And maybe that’s what’s calming you right now. You know, could’ve been the plant, too, but the plants probably have something even more to let you know.
Sarah Holmes: [00:35:47] But just that gift that they give us of, “All right, I’m gonna sit down and pay attention to you for a minute”. And that’s how we build relationship. That’s how we build relationship with people. We spend time with them. So that’s also how we can build relationship with plants or also our ancestors. “Okay. I’m going to give you some time and attention right now.” And this is how we build that relationship and that’s how we build this capacity within ourselves to feel the plants on a conscious level, because on an unconscious level, our body, our energy field, they’re relating to the plant and doing stuff. And whether or not our mind is in on it may or may not be happening. And sometimes it’s better if the minds left out of it for a little while, because it’s real easy to then go to that overly analytical place of, oh, what does that mean? What does that mean about me? Oh, what does that mean about the plant? Oh, you know. Maybe, maybe, maybe. So it can be to trust that process and just go. Okay. Our hearts have a tremendous amount of intelligence and our bodies have a tremendous amount of intelligence. And to just like let it be, and keep our mind out of the equation for a little while sometimes can open up the space.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:37:11] I like that because sometimes what I’ll do it when I attune with a plant or something my first thought is my little mind going, “what did you get? What did you get today?” It’s like, hang on a minute. Is that really the right attitude to have? Oh, goodness. And how are you meeting this moment? You know, how are you working with your clients? In your world with the people that you know and love and work with. This time it’s really unprecedented, in our lifetime anyways. And how are you offering counsel or advice or guidance? Or where are you starting with people on this, for some wisdom?
Sarah Holmes: [00:38:03] Well, that’s a big order. So it may or may not be wise, what follows. But what I’m doing… I think it’s really, really important for all of us, because I’m witnessing this in myself and in others, is much less capacity to do multiple things. You know, there’s so much of our energy is.. Even when I’m not feeling particularly scared in a moment… My heart feels calm. My mind feels calm, but my body’s not. See, this is that place. And I was talking to a friend the other day, and the analogy was because most of us that live in California, at least we’ve had this experience of forest fires in these last few years. And so when they’ve been close, we know what that is. So, you know, we’ve had fire seasons where I live now, four years now. And what I notice is even when I know a fire is really far away, I’m not in any immediate danger. But there’s a little bit of the smell of smoke in the air. My body is frightened. Because our bodies have intelligence, too. My body is going “I smell smoke. That means danger. We need to do something right now.” And I really feel like that’s happening with our bodies right now with this virus. It’s like, OK, even if I’m not particularly worried about myself, I know this danger is present for all of us. And so it’s really important that we calm our bodies, and we calm our hearts and we calm our minds. But calming our bodies is also part of calming our energy field because our bodies are energy, too. So there’s that place. I think that’s the first thing. It’s really about fundamentals right now and having a lot of patience and compassion for ourselves and for each other. And a lot of that is getting present in our bodies again, because when we’re scared, most of us, a lot of us, check out. Right. It’s like, all right. Not safe. I can’t physically leave. So you emotionally mentally leave, right? And sometimes that’s what you need to do. You have to take a break. Right. And sometimes what can work more deeply to calm is, instead of checking out, to check in, to go in more deeply, to connect with self, more deeply to connect with our hearts, connected and open. To keep our energy fields connected and open, with good boundaries.
Sarah Holmes: [00:41:00] And that’s the other piece I’m really talking about with people because our immune systems are physical boundary systems. And so that’s what we’re trying to support right now. But because the physical and the energetic are inextricably connected, we can’t separate those. We need to be working on our energy boundaries and our emotional boundaries as well. So to me, these aren’t walls, they’re filters. We want to let in what we choose to let in. But we want to keep out that which is harmful to us. So in order to support our physical immunity, I do think it’s important that we make sure that we have our protective energy fields around us and our boundaries around us. And if nothing else, it helps keep other people’s emotions off of us, which can make it harder for us to stay in balance with our own emotions. And in this time when we need to physically be apart from people.. To me, that means we have to spend time connecting our hearts to each other, when we don’t have that physical shorthand of a hug, or even being in the same room with each other. It’s that much more important that we put energy into our hearts and we put energy into those heart connections as well as putting that energy into those spiritual connections. And I know for people that are part of spiritual and religious communities and not being able to be in each other’s presence right now, it’s that much more important that we reach out with our spirits to each other, that we reach out with our spirits to nature, that we reach out our spirits to the spirit world or whatever form of being that you do or don’t connect with bigger than yourself, that we need to feed and nourish that because there is a contraction that naturally comes with fear. And energetically and also physically for the sake of our poor bodies right now, we need to be in a place of softness and expansion and connection with good, clear boundaries to stay healthy.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:43:20] I resonate so much with what you’re saying, and I think that you’re just dead on with that. And the premise of staying connected at the heart level, without having that physical connection. I think that it’s on everybody’s mind, even though I’ve never heard it said in that way. And it’s really resonating for me the way that you’ve stated that. Because that’s that’s exactly what we’re needing more than anything right now. And being in your presence, albeit digitally, I feel that. This has been so rich and beautiful to share this time with you. And thank you for sharing this with the audience of the podcasts. Thanks very, very much. Can you tell our listeners more about how to find you and reach you and reach out to you?
Sarah Holmes: [00:44:15] Sure. And I just want to say, too, I mean, thank you both so much. It’s really been a pleasure to be able to sit here and talk with you today. And we nurture these connections. And this is part of our work. And that’s one of the gifts of this work also, which I’m probably going to get some head nods from both of you on this. To do my work, I have to get myself in that balanced place for that time that I’m working with somebody. And so that’s a gift because I have like a built in excuse to make sure I’m doing that work. So I love that. That’s one of the gifts of the immense privilege I have in doing this work. So practical things: the website is BlueOtterSchool.com I always teach in person with the exception of the radio show. I always teach in person because it’s about the energy and the vibration. So I’m really trying to figure out how to be able to do that differently in the coming months, but the classes are there. I do consultations and a lot of that I already do on the phone. So that that form of doing, that piece of my work, is already really comfortable with the phone. I don’t do this video thing. So I have to say, I’m not as comfortable with that. But who knows? As I’ve been joking with Karyn that the pandemic is bringing us the rest of the way into the 21st century of technology. So here we are. I am on Instagram and @blueotterschool. And I’m on the Herbal Highway radio program, which you can catch at KPFA.org.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:46:21] Thank you, we’ll be sure to put all of those links also in the show notes. So for anyone listening, we do extensive show notes and transcript of the whole podcast. So everything, everything in there is going to be written down. We’ve had a number of people express to us how much they appreciate that if they are hearing impaired or they have challenges with listening to a podcast, they can enjoy the podcast in another format. So we like to make sure that it’s accessible in multiple formats for people. We’ll be sure to put your contact information in there so that people can know where to find you.
Rochana Felde: [00:46:58] This has been delightful. Thank you, Sarah.
Sarah Holmes: [00:47:02] Oh, thank you so much so good to meet you.
Kathleen Aspenns: [00:47:06] So thanks so much for being with us today and we hope to have you again in the future. It’s been really great. And there’s so much more that we could share. And I just really want to encourage all of all of the listeners to think about with whom they can share this podcast, because I’m sure you have somebody in your life, in your heart who would love to hear these messages and would love to learn more about the plants and about vibrational medicine through the flowers. And so please feel free to share. We’d love for you to share. We’d love to connect with you on Facebook and Instagram. We love to hear from you. So look forward to seeing you next time.
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