FEP23 Collective Loss with Ruth Toledo Altschuler

We are delighted to have Ruth join us again to talk about flower essences for this moment, to help us navigate dark times and difficult changes in our lives. We have essences to help us find hope, adapt to new ways of being in the world, and to build trust among ourselves and with the Earth.

Flower Essences discussed during the show:

Resources:

Ruth Toledo Altschuler at EssenceMentoring.com

Ruth’s Scotch Broom video

Article by Richard Katz on Borage and Forget-Me-Not

Show Transcript


Rochana Felde:
[00:00:41] Welcome essence friends to another episode of the Flower Essence Podcast. In this global crisis, everyone is experiencing some form of loss. For many people, it is the loss of a job or reduction of income, or the loss of money associated with retirement accounts and investments. And it could be simply just a loss of the lifestyle or identity, or micro losses that are happening inside the home, just like a loss of privacy. These Corona times are difficult and they’re life changing. And even though there’s a sense that nothing will be the same, we are collectively going through it together. There is hope and the majority of people who get sick do recover. And economies always recover eventually. But we want to take some time today to acknowledge that loss is very real and happening on a large scale. So today, Kathleen and I are joined by a guest who’s been on the show before, our friend and mentor, Ruth Toledo Altschuler, she’s a flower essence therapy practitioner with three decades of experience in the field as an entrepreneur, educator and mentor. Welcome, Ruth and Kathleen. And let’s get started on talking about this shared world event and the loss that we’re all feeling. 

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:02:20] Thank you so much for including me. It’s a joy to be in your presence and circle.

Rochana Felde: [00:02:30] So, you know, there’s a lot that’s happening with these feelings that we’re all going through it to some extent. And I’m wondering if we want to start talking about more of that global feeling of loss and how you might work with that with Flower Essences.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:02:55] Yeah, yeah, we’ve been having a preliminary conversation and looking at some of the flowers, even from the time of Dr Bach and making the link of those with some of the more recently researched flowers as well. So definitely from the times of Dr. Bach Gentian is one that when people are affected by situations in which they, you know, they lose faith in the future and in their possibilities and perspectives, and so the Gentian essence is one that was created during those times of the Great Depression when Dr. Bach was on this planet. And so it’s one of the essences that really meets that feeling. And also Gorse that addresses that need to see light at the end of the tunnel. And sometimes when there is this feeling of… I don’t know… Everything is crumbling and maybe there’s not going to be any… I mean, you know, when we think of all the damage that’s been done, for instance, to the economy and the structures. How is this going to come back? You know, Gorse blooms in the spring. And it blooms on very non fertile land, very acidic land. The plants are usually beaten by wind and cold, and it keeps blooming all throughout the year. But in spring after right around Easter, there’s this huge blossoming of yellow brightness. And that is when the essence is prepared. And the big gift, of course, is offered to us.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:05:22] And I’d love to add in a little piece about what I’ve learned about Gorse as an ecological sign, that it grows where the land has been overharvested, has been overgrazed, has been exhausted. And so there’s a quality inherent to Gorse.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:05:43]  It’s a very resilient plant. There’s an amazing resilience to it.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:05:50] Yes, because it rebuilds the soil. It actually, over a very long term, it helps to rebuild soil, and helps to rebuild fertility, even though in the short term it seems like it’s taking over. But it actually creates  the long term restoration of what has been damaged or what has been injured. So it’s an interesting piece around our economy and what was, you know, what we used to have wasn’t sustainable. The way that we lived wasn’t sustainable. And to be able to think about it in that longer term cycle of the Gorse being an ally to us in this rebuilding or in this restoration process.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:06:40] Yeah, and it’s part of the family of plants, the Fabaceae family that actually nurtures the soil, right?

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:06:49] Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t know I didn’t recognize that it was a Fabaceae. But yeah. It’s a nitrogen fixer. Right. So it takes nitrogen out of the air and fixes it into the earth by its roots. Cool.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:07:04] And you might want to bring in the Scotch Broom.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:07:09] Well, the Scotch broom has been one that’s been really beneficial for this sense of hopelessness over world events. And you know, in this moment, it’s really hard to see the way forward. It’s really hard to see what’s going to come next. How is this going to work? And the Scotch broom gives us some light in that dark place of recognizing that, you know, this is a really challenging and really a big thing that we’re facing. But there’s a lot of really generous hearts involved and a lot of really beautiful people who are doing everything that they can in order to help us rebuild or, you know, get through basically at this point.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:08:03] Yeah it’s one that really calls us to service in times like this, where we find meaning in being of help in whatever situation arises. Yeah.

Rochana Felde: [00:08:17] And Ruth, didn’t you make a video on that not long ago? I think we linked to it in our pandemic strategy episode and we’ll link to it again. It was a beautiful little video on that Scotch broom. Yeah. And how relevant it is to our times right now. So you also mentioned Gentian in and we were having a little discussion earlier about the different kinds of Gentium, the Explorer’s Gentian and the Green Cross Gentian. I was wondering if you wanted to say a little bit about those and the differences and how they’re applicable.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:09:01] I think I would first love to hear what Kathleen had to say about the Gentians in the perspective of Chinese medicine, because that gives a context that combines them.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:09:14] Yeah, happily. So this is the linking of Chinese medicine and flower essences, especially the Bach Essences, shows a connection between Gentian and Spleen type issues. And the Spleen is the organ affiliated with the emotion of worry. And also, the Spleen is affiliated with that quality of feeling helpless and not having any energy to engage, it tends to go flat. And so Gentian is a really clear link for personality types who, when there’s adversity, they don’t have that inner strength in order to counter it, to engage with it. And so I really like Gentian a lot for that use. And I think in this moment, you know, it helps all of us sort of stiffen and meet this great challenge that we’re experiencing right now.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:10:32] Yes. So what you just said about the Bach essence Gentian, there is a different octave of it in the Explorer’s Gentian that FES makes, it’s part of the Range of Light Kit, and that one is in the same botanical family, so it shares some of the same attributes. And yet there’s the fact that it grows in the very high altitudes and very late in the season when everything else has already dried. And the flowers are relatively large and this deep violet blue and this one is when we have had a whole life, and then all of a sudden, we go through a big setback and we have to start it all over. We don’t know where we’re going to have the faith, and the forces, and even a sense of purpose and commitment with life to start it all over. And so the Explorer’s Gentian, especially for those who, they’ve been around for a while, and it’s strongly recommended for people who are in their mature years. But not only I think because it’s the quality of strength of, OK, I can find within myself a sense of purpose to continue and to do it all over again in a sense of meaningfulness.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:12:16] And that for me, that would be really indicated for anybody. It doesn’t need to necessarily be somebody who’s, you know, older on the spectrum of life, but anybody who’s spent a whole career doing something. There’s so many people right now who’ve spent their careers as massage therapists or acupuncturists, and they can not work the way that they’ve done. And how do you pivot out of that? How do you change out of that? What can you bring forth in order to serve in a new way? And I think that that essence, the Explorer’s Gentian makes a lot of sense in that context, whether you’ve spent 10 years in your profession or 40 years in your profession. It all of a sudden has to change. And how do you do that? How do you meet that challenge?

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:13:11] And then we have another octave, that’s the Green Cross Gentian. It also grows in the high altitudes, not so much late in the season as the Explorer’s Gentian, and that’s the Green Cross Gentian. That one has a very unique presence in that it is almost like a column of strength that emerges from the ground up. And it has these four sided flowers, four petalled flowers, looking towards every side. And it’s like this column with all these flowers. There’s more to say about the signature. This one, it’s such a powerful plant. And it’s green. The flowers are green. And so one of the things about this one as an essence is that it’s so helpful when we are having to strengthen our faith in the future of the earth itself and all its beings, because this pandemic that’s happening is coming overlaid on all the climate change issue that we have been living through as an ongoing thing and we’ll continue dealing with. So the Green Cross Gentian is such an important one for us, to have hope in the future of the Earth and of humanity within the Earth, but also to be able to listen to the earth and its beings, as we re imagine our lives after this.

[00:15:05] And that quality of it – I’ve only had the privilege of meeting this plant virtually through images, but that quality that each flower has, that it’s a member of that stem of so many flowers. And for me, it’s that quality of, I’m not doing this alone. You know, the community has my back, like minded, light hearted beings, we’re all working together whether we can see each other or not. We’re all working together in alignment with this process. So it doesn’t feel like the weight of the world is on me entirely, that I’m supported.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:15:48] And this strength that it has to emerge from the ground in that high altitude and grow all these flowers, there is this fortitude that sometimes, you know, when you need that emerging fortitude, this will be an important essence to think of.

Rochana Felde: [00:16:14] Yeah, I also like to look at the California Sagebrush, and the one I work with is the Artemesia californica. And it’s interesting, it’s been used by the indigenous for transition periods, especially for female reproductive transition periods from puberty all the way to menopause. And I feel that, you know, the energy of that plant has really been through, and seen it all, witness to the cycles of life, death and rebirth. And she knows how to survive. So she has this incredible sense of strength and helps us tap into that. And while being so strong, it’s also a very flexible, soft plant. It’s got an incredible aroma. It’s an artemesia. So it has the strength of all of the artemesias, they have a similar sort of big being, very strong energy. But this one has these soft, very just fuzzy.. I have one right here, actually. For those who could see this and it’s drying. But you know, it’s like feathers almost. And it’s very flexible. And so I see that signature helping us to be really strong. Yet we can be flexible, which we really need to be right now in order to do that, pivoting in order to, you know, roll with the changes that are happening, perhaps pivot our businesses or our jobs into something different in order to continue. And doing it all while we’ve suffered a loss. You know, this hardship that can leave us bare. The sagebrush gives us the courage to face it and shed our ego, helping cleanse our perceptions. It’s also been used for cleansing and burning rituals as well. So then we can clearly see what’s in front of us and we can have the courage to do what needs to be done. So I think it’s one that is really valid for what’s happening right now.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:18:55] Yeah, I would reiterate and build on what you said, because it’s one that I use so much when people are going through transition and when the life that they had has is coming undone, but they don’t yet know what is to come, and they need to stay in that kind of limbo state, which is so much what we’ve been through in so many ways, you know, and be comfortable, be accepting of the phase in which we’re still going. It’s almost like when you’re going through a house renovation and you’re right in and living in the house, that’s kind of what we’re experiencing in some ways, you know, that everything is kind of being demolished and then eventually it’s going to be rebuilt and we don’t yet know what it’s going to look like. And yet we can live through this with wisdom, with this deep connection, with this knowingness.

Rochana Felde: [00:20:06] And at the one you use. Is it the FES? I think that’s the Artemesia tridentata? It’s a little bit different. Right. Very similar, but a little bit different. So that’s interesting that I haven’t actually used that one. So I because I have this A. californica one, one that I really love. So that is great to hear that, that you can use that in a similar way.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:20:34] Well, there’s interesting qualities that go throughout the Artemesia family right there. If you think about the Mountain Wormwood from the Alaskan Essences and the Artemesia that I make in my Flora of Asia, there are some qualities.. because many of the family are used as a vermifuge. Right. And so it’s that quality of letting go of what’s not good for you, you know, just letting it all go and releasing. And so those aspects of purging the old and releasing the old and leaving this space for what’s to come. Which is where the worm thing goes, comes apart. But I think you know what I mean, it does help us release what we’ve held on to. What we’ve been attached to even though it’s not good for us.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:21:34] What do you think about talking some about the aspect about trust? Because I think that that’s the bridge. You know, the Sagebrush, releasing what was and now finding a place of trust to move into what’s coming, and what will be, and to hope for something better. On the other side of all of this, we were talking a little bit about some members of the Boraginaceae for this topic. Ruth, where would you start?

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:22:13] Well, when bringing in the Boraginaceae,one of the issues will be this polarity between heaviness and despondency and light and levity. That is so strong in that family. And so the Borage for the feelings of heavy heartedness and despondency and the need for that lightness to regain the joy of heart. And then the Hound’s Tongue that has bloomed very recently in the area where you guys live. And that one the flower that kind of emerges and rises up and these big flat leaves that are closer to the ground. And so you have the ascendancy of the flowers in these beautiful deep blue colors with the white center. The Hound’s Tongue really helps us have that spiritual perspective that even though this is what’s happening in the material level, there’s a stronger meaning to all of this. And if we’re able to allow the light of our more cosmic understanding, of the bigger picture of it all. And of how we are being invited to evolve within this, then there’s more lightness and more ability to not get caught in the duality in the, Oh no, but this is bad. And this is good or a bad person. It’s good, that person is bad. That side is right, that side is wrong. But what are we all learning together through this experience? And how can we see the one evolutionary process that we’re all moving through together? As we live through these times.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:24:28] And even the concept that there is something beyond the material, beyond the rigidity of that polarity, polarized thinking, I think that that’s part of the gift of Hound’s Tongue, too, isn’t it? Don’t you think that it even gives us the possibility of opening to the belief that there could be more than what you can see, touch, put your hands on. There can be a greater picture involved in all of this rather than just like, you know, all of this horribleness that we’re immersed in right now.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:25:06] I often see the Hound’s Tongue as helping to bridge our very mental perspective with more of a spiritual perspective. And when the two become one, like the opening of the inner vision, the third eye, when you’re able to see beyond polarity, and beyond the factual descriptions of things. So at the same time, we can be objective and analytic and understand what’s going on. But we’re also bringing that light to that bigger perspective of how we’re learning and evolving and bringing these more evolved aspects of ourselves to be part of our experience.

Rochana Felde: [00:25:58] And that beautiful blue flower does have that bluish pink, depending. It does kind of remind me that third eye aspect. That’s interesting. And I’ve observed it growing on my property. And when it first comes up, it comes out of just the biggest pile of dead oak leaves. You wouldn’t think anything’s growing under. So year after year. It appears in this you know, in this area of decay, which I think is also sort of interesting. And as it comes up and then those really big, thick, wide leaves start to spread out. And then the flowers come up tall, like you were talking about. And I can see that aspect of, you know, rising above the earthly cycles of life and decay to give us that perspective.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:27:01] Yeah. And it just came to me to bring the fact that all of this family, the plants have these hairy, silica kind of hairs all throughout the plant, especially on the leaves and the stalks. And so that silica is really kind of this ability to bring in the light infuses with light in lightness.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:27:35] And the flowers have a crystalline quality to them. When you look at them in the sunlight, they sparkle. And I think that’s part of that  high silica content as well. In the flowers..in the leaves, they’re expressing as little hairs, but in the flowers, almost like little glitter spots. So that quality of bridging that light into the very concrete reality, then holding those two polarities. And I’ve noticed in my neighborhood, because I’m in a heavy, heavy burn zone and everything, you know, everything completely is scorched on the hillsides and seeing the Hound’s Tongue emerge in profusion this year, very strong, healthy plants in areas that were absolute charcoal. So it has this restorative quality as well as part of its, you know, inherent signature, I guess, of being a California native, that it can tolerate extreme burn and come back spectacularly the next spring.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:28:35] I’m so heartened to hear that because I used to see them when I lived in California, every spring. And I’m so heartened to hear that they came up so strong. Wow.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:28:51] And the other aspect of this family is the Forget Me Nots. And that’s almost maybe even the next level, from that recognition that when someone passes, when we pass beyond this veil, that there’s still a connection, that there’s still an ability to…You don’t lose someone entirely. Is that an essence that you use and are thinking of right now in this moment?

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:29:27] Oh, yes, so much in relation to the loss of different kinds. But I also very often use the Forget Me Not as an essence that enhances our awareness that we are connected to our soul family and that we are connected to our soul family interdimensionally as well. And that we’re all living these social experiences of learning to gather. And so it helps to illuminate this interconnectedness and this interdimensional connectedness, a trust that these relations are very real.

Rochana Felde: [00:30:23] Yeah. The Forget Me Not grows a lot around where I live and it’s all in bloom right now. There’s a lot of them, and I use it that way as well. It’s not just for when somebody passes in a grief formula. It’s that constant reminder, that connection that we are all connected not just on this level, but multi-dimensionally. And so in that sense, you know, there it doesn’t matter if somebody is here on the physical plane or not. We have that connection. And it’s a comfort. It’s a comforting feeling as well. So I think it helps with that feeling of being alone, which might be really valuable right now during social distancing and isolation, especially if people are isolated by themselves.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:31:26] Now, Kathleen had mentioned the Baby Blue Eyes and her recent experience with it, and in some ways they’re related as well.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:31:35] Yeah. And I think that that kind of loops us into the next piece where you were starting to talk about trust. And I’m seeing in the news and in my social feeds a lot of this energetic coming up of distrust of our culture. Distrust of the government. Distrust.. And not that it’s perhaps not well placed, but this quality of our community, that we are a part of this community, and learning to engage in our world from a place of trust. It is a big piece of what the Baby Blue Eyes can help us learn. I think that it comes out of… I mean, do you think that that base level of distrust comes from a place of betrayal by male authority figures? I think that’s the starting point, right? And the Baby Blue Eyes can help. It’s such a big essence. It covers so many different aspects. But I think it is something that’s emerging as something that’s for this moment.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:32:43] I would very much agree with you, and so often when I teach about the Baby Blue Eyes, the image that I like to convey is one of a child that is jumping into a pool and then the dad is there to hold the child. So it’s that feeling of trust that somebody has got my back, that I can surrender and jump, that I will be caught at the other end. And yet when there is a betrayal of that, and when we don’t really know, and when in fact, we feel that nobody has our back and we’re actually being abandoned. In so many ways, that’s where, you know, the Baby Blue Eyes goes right there to bring in that internalization of that sense of trust that we may have not been able to get because of poor personal biographical journeys. And for some, in situations such as these, it’s like God has betrayed us, you know. And so this, too, to be able to instill that sense from inside out. 

Rochana Felde: [00:34:17] It also helps repair that trauma from the past. Right? So we can stop holding onto it as we go forward. 

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:34:29] Yeah, because that essence is given when we, for instance, had a father who was abusive, even physically, or was totally absent, was not just wasn’t there, wasn’t this figure that we felt protected by. On the opposite end. I think it’s a collective, at least in this nation, many of us are feeling this way in relation to a lot of the decision makers. Fortunately not all of them.

Rochana Felde: [00:35:07] I use the Sweetgum Tree flowers, Liquidambar, in a similar way, but with the mother connection. So it’s an essence that helps us feel nurtured and protected like we’re in the arms of the mother. And that really comes up when I’m working with a client that didn’t have that kind of relationship with their mother or when that was lacking. So I see it kind of interesting as the view with the mothering principle rather than the fathering. And it just such a beautiful, soothing essence to use when needing that support, that support and that feeling of being comforted and also protected by that nurturing energy. So instead of the father energy. Right, which is a little different, but that nurturing energy of a mother, if we’re lacking in that, I think the Sweetgum is just a beautiful one to add. And it also has another aspect that helps with environmental grief. So. Again, where we’re talking about that feeling of environmental loss that’s pervasive in the midst of the pandemic. You know, loss. They’re both global. They’re both global issues that we’re all going through simultaneously. And they are linked, you know, regardless of where the belief of how the virus originated and where it came from. We do know that viruses are natural to this planet and what’s happening now? It may be related to the environment and the change in the environment and the way and that could be influencing how pervasive it is and how we’re our bodies are having a challenge dealing with it. So. When we want to rekindle that feeling of safety and love and nurturing with nature is where I’m trying to bring it back around, that Sweetgum can help us feel like nature isn’t our enemy. You know, she has our back, too. And we just need to make that connection.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:37:58] Yeah, that’s beautiful, I would love to add or perhaps even end with the Green Rose when it’s time. So can you think of any of the Flora of Asia essences, Kathleen, that you feel are very relevant for this time?

[00:38:17] One that I was thinking of, I was reminded of it from a conversation that we had, the Chinese Emmenopterys. It’s for when you are enduring a situation of great density, that it feels so big and so much larger than you. And this essence helps to create that light that you can head towards that guiding light, and also that ability to come up above in perspective the situation where you are enmired. And to be able to see where I’m going. That there’s a possibility of a good future ahead.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:39:03] Do you have time to describe the plan?

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:39:06] Yeah, it’s Rutaceae, in the coffee family. And it’s an extraordinary, beautiful tree. It went in flower in the late summer. It looks like a lace cap hydrangea, incredibly beautiful, green and white flowers and has a beautiful fragrance as well. But it’s a very, very rare tree and it’s a very storied tree, a very famously beautiful tree that takes a long time to bloom, oftentimes requires certain circumstances in order to really bloom. But it’s been a really interesting flower and plant tree to work with in that it was a little hesitant to create an essence, for broad use at first. And I had to develop a relationship with a tree in order for it to be willing to to work with me and be able to create an essence for other people to use as well. But the tree is fully onboard and wants to help us. And perhaps, you know, now it could not be a more potent moment for that sort of energetic to work with more people.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:40:26] Absolutely. Yeah, I can see how precious it is for us to have that as an essence. Thank you so much for bringing it to us flower essence practitioners.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:40:40] Yes. And tell us about the Green Rose. I want to know more about it.

Rochana Felde: [00:40:47] And, you know, when Ro was talking about the virus, and you know about the whole climate, such grief and all of that, that also made me think, oh, it’s so important for us to bring in the Green Rose to this conversation. And one of the points that I want to highlight on the Green Rose is that it’s actually a plant that was co-created with humans a long time ago. So in the seventeen hundreds in China, I believe, they co-created a rose that had mostly sepals rather than petals. And so it kind of opens up in green. And Patricia Kaminski and Richard Katz spent a long time trying to find a green rose for them to have in their garden, and eventually it was made into an essence. So it’s in the Rosaceae family that really helps us connect with the Earth and ground ourselves. Very well, kind of grasping the Earth. And then growing and then blossoming and offering the flowers with more vulnerability. But these flowers that emerge and they’re mostly green, although they can have streaks of pink, which I find fascinating as well. And what it does is it really helps to awaken in our hearts this ability to embrace the whole of life as part of who we are, all the beings that are part of the earth, including the viruses that are part of our living ecosystem. And we grow in our ability to have appreciation and compassion and respect. And how can we grow as beings that are able to live and interact with other beings and make this place a place that is. I don’t know if the word is sustainable anymore, but that it is really a place where all the beings can thrive and collaborate and cooperate in this bigger web of life, but there’s this sense that, you know, we’re not separate. And we’re actually really in this together and so this compassion and this love and this embrace with trust rather than the mistrust, the defensiveness and the feeling that we’re being attacked. That’s a big one in our relation to the pandemic itself.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:44:15] Wow. Yeah, I can see. I’m really resonating with that, especially that last piece of responding rather than reacting and even our immune systems to connect to and and develop a new pattern for response rather than than a reactive one in our whole interaction with the world. Right. It’s how are we negotiating this? In a place of staying in our hearts and staying in compassion and love and appreciation while also holding our boundary of health.

Ruth Toledo Altschuler: [00:44:56] Yeah, and the Green Rose, having been a plant that is the result of co-creation between humans and plants, is a really interesting aspect of it, because it didn’t come wild in nature. It emerged as a result of the collaboration of humans and plants. And yet it’s teaching us about this respect and this interaction with life and how this can evolve as our hearts evolve to new levels and new octaves of how they operate. A lot of stuff that we’re still just beginning to discover, together.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:45:47] Thanks for being with us, Ruth. It’s really been lovely. And we’ll be sure to put a link to your page and your information in our show notes. But how would a listener find out more about you and some of the exciting things that you’re working on right now? You’re getting ready to offer some educational options. And please tell us a little bit more about how to find you.

[00:46:18] Well, first of all, thank you so much for this opportunity of cocreation. I’m really..Overjoyed. My work, there’s a lot about it in my Website called EssenceMentoring.com. I build the whole thing and it’s all mostly my photography as well. And yeah, there’s one special thing that I’m preparing to offer, and that is a training on helping us to go really deep within to unravel our core wound, and that’s specially for those who are professionals in flower essence therapy or maybe even of modality that is very close, but who would like to understand this very deep core wound work, and experience it themselves over a period of a number of months, and then also gain these skills to apply in their own practice. So there will be more about this. It’s not yet launched, but that’s one of my offerings. And there are several others on my Website. So thank you so much for the opportunity of being with you. And I think it’s wonderful the work that you two are doing in the Flower Essence Podcast. I’m a big supporter and a fan, and I’m so happy to be here with you. Thank you.

Kathleen Aspenns: [00:48:13] Thanks so much for being here with us, all of you listeners, for being part of this. And we hope that you continue listening and and continue connecting to the plants, because that’s really it. We find that the healing comes from nature and the healing comes through all of her different gifts, and flower essences are an incredibly potent gift for us in this time. So please let your friends know that Flower Essences can help them, too. And let them know how to find us and enjoy the podcast. And we’ll see you next time. Thank you. 

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