FEP21 Exploring Anger

In this episode, we discuss the tricky topic of anger. Like all emotions, anger has a message and needs to be heard. In the season of Spring, this issue is particularly prominent, and we view it through the lenses of Chinese and Ayurvedic Medicine.

Flower Essences discussed during the show:

Resources:

Karla McLaren, book The Language of Emotions

Show Transcript

Kathleen Aspenns [00:00:42] Welcome back, everyone. I am looking forward to this topic. Spring is definitely in the air in my neck of the woods in Northern California. We’re having a very early spring and all of the energies are rising very strongly, even though it really is quite early in the spring and we could still definitely have a lot of frost. But there’s been sunny days and spring like weather and all the birds are going bonkers and all the animals are thinking, it’s time to go, go, go. Spring energy rises really strongly in the body and spring is affiliated with the Liver. And one of the energies and emotions that’s attached to this is anger. Last episode we talked about the energy of spring, and I want to talk a little more specifically this time about the energy of anger. Anger is the emotion affiliated with the Liver, which is the organ system associated with the spring. So anger is a tricky topic and I think there’s a lot of ground that we can cover with this. And shall we just dive in? 

Rochana Felde [00:01:48] Yes, we should dive in. Cool. And yeah, it is over 80 degrees in some parts of the county, today as we’re recording. What is it, March 3rd? I mean, that it’s just unheard of, these temperatures. So it’s interesting that we’re talking about this because heat is a big part of anger and liver imbalance as you’re going to talk more about. And then spring is automatically the time that our liver and our organs want to.. The energy is increasing so they can do more detoxification. And so this is really odd that we’re having this weather and all that is happening. And I wonder if that could potentially increase anger and the tendency for anger at this time of year. What do you think about that? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:02:43] I think that that’s probably the case. And I’ve certainly seen that and experienced that. The energies right now are really intense, sort of in the grander cosmic sense of what’s going on in the world right now. And a lot of people are feeling a lot of pressure and tension. And then we have this spring energy rising. And so you combine these energies and elements together, and it can definitely create a bit of a pressure cooker for a lot of people. So I certainly think that the energy of anger emerging and it’s starting to hit some things that we’ve got stuck. So the Liver qi starts pushing upwards in the same way that the sprouts and sprigs start popping up. And, you know, you see that energy of the bulbs coming up above the ground and they’re pushing and stretching into the sunlight. And that same energy rises in our bodies as well. So we have to recognize that if there’s a rock on top of your energy, when there’s something that is holding it down, that force underneath is going to come up really strongly and push against it. And we’re going to feel frustrated and stuck and cranky if that energy isn’t allowed to flow. So this is where we start to see the effects of anger, when it’s just that energy getting stuck. I’d love to just start with a discussion of anger because anger is such a, you know, everybody hates on anger. It’s, you know, it’s a negative emotion. So therefore it’s bad, right? I mean, obviously. And if you’re a good person, then, you know, you don’t have bad emotions. Right. So I think that we really have an issue with anger. And especially as women, we’re not really allowed to show any anger. We’re not allowed to express any anger. And culturally, we see anger as being a really bad, negative, destructive force, when in it’s own self, it’s not at all a bad or destructive force. When I talk to clients about this topic, I bring up the work of Karla McLaren because she’s done such a beautiful job of talking about the emotions, as all being useful, and all having valid information for you. And the energy of anger she describes as being your righteous protector. And anytime you feel anger, it’s probably because there was a boundary violation of some sort. So if you really dig into every time you feel anger, you’ll realize it’s because something happened and you got stomped on, or somebody did something that was a violation of some sort. And so that energy rises up, but it’s just rising to protect your boundary. It’s not a destructive force unless it’s used inappropriately. So, you know, unboundaried anger, anger used inappropriately, is not OK, but anger just rising up, giving you that energy to hold a boundary and say, “excuse me. No, that’s not acceptable behavior”. That’s really what anger’s for and all about. 

Rochana Felde [00:06:06] Yeah, that’s so interesting, and I definitely resonate with that, especially for women. And I notice a big difference with the time of the month, with the menstrual cycle. And I always have noticed that if there is excessive PMS and anger during the cycle, that it typically is a reflection of what’s happened during that past month that has gone unchecked. Basically, if you allowed yourself to be walked on all month, or didn’t speak up for your boundaries or your rights, or suppressed emotions, or suppressed the anger that may have come up earlier in the month, it sort of bottles itself up and then explodes when the hormones do their thing. And that’s a really common scenario, I think. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:07:00] Oh, really common. And, you know, it’s really too bad that we see that as being, oh, she just has PMS when it’s a little bit more like you just aren’t able to suppress it during that time of month. You just can’t stop, not express yourself, at that time of month. And unfortunately, it can get a little unboundaried and messy and awkward. And then, you know, you feel like such a horrible person when in fact these emotions are there to teach us things and there to inform us that we’re not setting a boundary. We’re not giving ourselves the respect of, you know, being an individual that is allowed to say no, who is allowed to express ourselves fully, even the things that other people might not want to hear. 

Rochana Felde [00:07:56] True. Yeah. And when channeled in a productive way, I guess for lack of a better word, there’s so much that you can do and get done. I know that I’ve used that energy to write my political representatives about certain issues or the local board, whatever is going on that somebody needs to say something about. It’s funny because most of the time when I sit down and actually do that truth telling is when I’m right about to start a cycle. And I know that my body.. It’s great. I mean, I appreciate it because there’s other times during the month that I might not have had the energy or the willpower to follow through with something like that. And so I think that it absolutely has its benefits. As long as we don’t get hung up on this thought like you said, that it’s bad to be angry, or we don’t get into a circular anger spiral that we can’t get out of. So this is where we haven’t been paying attention to ourselves. We haven’t been conscious of what’s been happening with our emotions. And then it builds up. It builds up. And then we are just walking around, ready to just bite somebody’s head off at any little thing. And that’s where we want to do some of this work. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:09:28] Yeah. Like all forces, you know, appropriate use and inappropriate use. These two things both can exist. And yes, we’re certainly not advocating for going full rage demon on the poor shop person that you might interact with when you’ve been building all of this stuff up. It’s appropriate to recognize these energies rising, take that information and say, oh, where in my life am I not setting a boundary? Where is the action that needs to be taken? And I’m really sure that action is not ranting and raving at some innocent passer by,  that’s not appropriate use. Do the work. Go find out where it really belongs and you do that. And I love what you’re saying about that. This energy is what helps us stand up for the rights of others, too. It’s not just about a selfish action. It’s about righteousness. It’s about something that really needs to be said and somebody really needs to be held to account. 

Rochana Felde [00:10:28] So true. And then also in the Ayurvedic viewpoint, you know, there’s certain personality types. Well, this isn’t just Ayurveda, we know that there are certain personality types that are more prone to anger management issues. And in Ayurveda, it usually signifies an imbalance of the Pitta dosha, an imbalance in the Pitta type. And so Ayurveda looks to treat these imbalances. So again, not trying to suppress or pretend that anger is not something we should have, but to appropriately deal with it. A big part of Ayurveda is not just your physical health, for example, digestion, but your mental digestion. And then when you’re cycling in these negative emotions, it looks to be a cause of what they can consider mental indigestion. It is really interesting. And I think it’s fascinating because the liver also deals with digestion. And so we want these cooling digestive herbs or flower essences to deal with the liver. And that crosses both of these viewpoints. And then in Ayurveda, we also look at the calming flowers, and gems for just promoting calm. And it’s not just what you take into your body, but it’s everything around you. Your what you see, what your eyes see every day. Are you watching a lot of violent movies, t.v., media, all of the things that can just keep that aggressive and inflamed energy in your consciousness? It’s the sounds that you hear. It’s the colors that you surround yourself with. It’s every little part of our sensory experience as a human that impacts what we internalize. And then in turn, what comes back out of us as what we express. So flower essences once again are going to be a great way to be part of that sensory experience. And part of how we can mentally digest, and emotionally come to terms with what’s happening. To be aware of our own emotions and how we are reacting to things, and then impacting how they come back out of us in expression. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:13:11] That is really interesting as far as a perspective goes. And yeah, it’s lifestyle. It’s not treatment of a symptom. It’s that your whole life maybe needs some evaluation, or some tweaking maybe. And I like that concept about managing, seeing what your inputs are, seeing what your lifestyle inputs are and managing those. Because if you’re in an environment that is constantly aggravating you and pushing your buttons and you have no functional boundaries, then how could you possibly come to terms with that? How could you possibly be calm and fine about it? You know, what you’re going to end up doing is trying to repress it down to nothing. And then you’re going to get really depressed because that’s what happens when anger isn’t allowed to do its job, when anger gets suppressed and repressed. The energy gets continually crammed down and you start to feel apathetic and depressed. And, you know, some people can think that that’s calm, but it’s really not. It’s really a dense energy. And that’s a hard way to live. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:14:26] So let’s talk about some essences that can start to work with this. And I would definitely say in the same way that I talk to clients about this topic that we start really safely because a lot of times my clients come to me and they.. You know, even to talk about anger is a really big deal because so many of us have had bad experiences with anger in our lives. You know, a parent who would blow up and would terrify the heck out of you as a kid, or to be in an environment that was really unsafe because anger was thrown around and unboundaried and physically dangerous. So the energy of anger can be something like fireworks. We’re taught that it’s dangerous. Don’t touch it! When in fact, it’s a tool that should be used thoughtfully and mindfully and appropriately. So even just thinking about anger can be really triggering for some people. And we want to really respect that and appreciate that. And I always start just to see where somebody is at with that conversation, whether they’re even ready to to think about it yet. Not that we just throw some essences that are going to catalyze their anger because that’s really not going to be very pleasant or safe. So something like Soul Support.. Any of these crisis type formulas are useful. But I like the Soul Support from the Alaskan Essences for this because it really has that quality of containment and safety and grounding. That would be my first thought. Do you have a rescue formula that you think is useful in this case? 

Rochana Felde [00:16:05] Yeah. No, I love Soul Support for that. And I also like to start working with the calming essences right away, to start with some Aquamarine. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:16:18] So starting with the calming energies, kind of getting things soothed and smooth, helping them feel a sense of containment and safety around that. And then, you know, Holly is a good starting place to start releasing some of this pent up emotion. Holly is a nonspecific emotion-releaser essence that Dr. Bach would recommend to offer that when you couldn’t really tell what was going on. And a lot of times when someone shows up, when they’ve got emotions all over the place and they’re really muddled and not clear, and you’re not really sure what’s going on. You can always start with Holly and it can take off some of the layers. And then you can see a little more clearly as to what’s going on underneath. One of the things that can happen with Holly is, it can catalyze feelings of anger or jealousy, or something like that. You’ll usually see that more in kids, that they can maybe have a couple days where there will be more temper tantrums. But it will clear. Just be aware that sometimes that catalysing that stuck emotion can cause a little bit of an outburst. Just to be aware. 

Rochana Felde [00:17:38] Yeah, I think Albizia for the calming of the overstimulated nervous system that’s potentially part of that. But another aspect of Albizia is it has this ability to unblock emotions that are stuck when they’ve generated anger or frustration or into depression. And it does so in such a gentle way. So I don’t feel like it’s a catalyst, but it’s still in its own way moving those through the system, and at the same time giving us this sort of relaxation with it. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:18:19] In Chinese medicine, the Albizia has an affiliation with the Heart, and so heat in the Heart would cause upset and disruption. So I can see how the medicinal uses of that particular plant affiliate and work right really nicely in with the flower essence use. 

Rochana Felde [00:18:40] Yeah. They call it the happiness herb or something like that. Right. So it’s used a lot in depressive states, the herb is, and I think the energetic way that it works is by that unblocking action. So I just love the herb and the flower essence, and the tree and it’s beautiful pink flowers when they bloom. It’s a really, really lovely plant ally. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:19:13] Yeah. It’s a cool one. And one of the next steps from there would be when an anger situation has been held inward for so long or, you know, unexpressed frustrations or when a boundary just hasn’t been set, maybe for your whole life, it can start to go inward and become a sense of hostility or sort of non directed aggression and frustration. And something like Willow is a good next step to start to get that to move. If you think about the energetic of a willow, you know, they’re bending, they’re very flexible as a tree. And the quality of the essence really brings that inward, helps us find flexibility with it and a flow with our emotions rather than having them stiff and tight and bottled and and constrained. It gives us the opportunity to flow and move with them. 

Rochana Felde [00:20:14] Absolutely. And I think, Willow, also, it’s sort of a divining rod for finding out where things are happening in your body or your subconscious. And it has an energy of compassion as well. So it can help with just having self-compassion while you’re going through that process to excavate, or divine where blocked energy is happening, or where the pattern is in the body. So I do think that’s a great aspect of it as well. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:20:48] I’ve never thought about it that way, but I really like that idea of a divining rod. And don’t you think that so often essences have that quality – no matter what, they can really work. They know where to go. They know what you need help with, even though it may be only one of the many things on a list of what an essence might be doing. 

Rochana Felde [00:21:08] Yeah, well, I think Willow branches might be used traditionally as divining rods for finding water. What I’ve noticed around the countryside of Sonoma County is when you’re driving through, you know, miles and miles of pastures and whenever you see rows of trees like that look like they’re growing in a line along a road or the middle of a field, that’s where water is. That’s where a creek is. And those trees are mostly all willows. So I look at it as that’s telling us where the water is. And then our body, it’s telling us where our emotions are. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:21:50] There’s a complete and natural affiliation of Willow to emotion and water, the realm of water, which is the realm of emotion. Perfect. And don’t you think that Rock Water also is another good match for this topic? You know, traditionally Dr. Bach talked about Rock Water for those in flexibilities and rigid ideas. And Rock Water has that beautiful flowing watery energy that helps things to move and to release. 

Rochana Felde [00:22:18] Yeah. What a great idea. I hadn’t actually thought about it for anger specifically, but what you’re saying makes so much sense with that immovable emotion or energy, and the water helping it  to flow. Go with the flow. You know, I think Aquamarine gem essence is another one that helps go with the flow as well. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:22:45] Oh, for sure. And it has that cooling quality, especially in the mental realm, and it definitely helps you get more out of your head. Because we can get into that frustration or just sort of “anger overwhelm”, we tend to start to stop feeling it and we tend to start thinking about it and making stories about it. And once we get into that realm, we can spin off in all sorts of directions and not really realize what is actually happening because we’ll start looking around for things to be pissed off about. Right. And the Aquamarine can calm that cycle, let that go a little bit and then you can actually drop into your heart and drop into your body and feel, “oh, what’s really, really happening?” And it starts to release some of that mental tension around it. 

Rochana Felde [00:23:35] Yeah. Jade gem essence is another one that can help get out of those loops in the head and pull you into the center, and to create some calm into your heart center, for sure. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:23:49] And then getting into the topic of anger really more specifically the essence of Scarlet Monkeyflower that the Flower Essence Society makes is really the “par excellence” essence for anger, because it’s about the fear of anger. Because so many of us feel that if we were to let any anger go, we would just destroy everything. You know, it’s like the world would be in flames from the force of our anger. And, you know, when we see it as this destructive force, we can be really scared of it. It’s really terrifying to even contemplate letting any anger loose, but starting to learn how to feel it a little bit and let it flow a little bit. And it doesn’t mean you have to act on it. It just means you have to feel it and to recognize why you are feeling it. What circumstance is emerging so that I need to feel this anger? And the Scarlet Monkeyflower can start you on your path to recognizing what’s going on internally, and starting to get that anger to move a little bit into flow. 

Rochana Felde [00:25:05] The monkey flowers are a neat grouping of plants. I like also working with some of the other monkey flowers, but not necessarily for this. The ones that grow around here and locally are the Sticky Monkeyflowers. They are an orange monkey flower, and they have this real stickiness to them, and they grow wild along all of the hills and mountains around Sonoma County on the west side of the county at least. So I’m sort of in awe about the way they grow. I don’t know if the red monkey flower grows the same way as the sticky monkey flower, do you? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:25:50] It’s not one that I’ve ever met in the wild. I’m not sure which species they’re using. And a lot of the monkey flowers can be really tricky to cultivate, although like you mentioned, the sticky is kind of rampant on our hillsides. It’s not rare at all. But the scarlet is not one that I know particularly well or have experienced growing wherever its natural habitat is. A lot of times the monkey flowers themselves can be a little tricky to grow in cultivation. They’re often prone to fungal diseases or, you know, too much water, too little water. They’re a little tricky to grow in your garden. But I admire people who try. They tend to do well for a couple years and then they conk out. But I’ve certainly seen the Sticky Monkeyflower, which as an essence. It’s about a fear of intimacy. You know, more of physical kinds of intimacy. And then I’ve certainly seen the Mimulus. This yellow Mimulus grows along waterways, growing wild locally in Sonoma County as well. That’s the one Dr. Bach made. 

Rochana Felde [00:27:03] And I think that color, the scarlet color is a perfect indicator. When you think about red being a color of anger, it ties in with its use and that whole concept of color, I think I’d love to talk about that a little bit because some people who are very spiritually minded tend to like, you know, sort sort of think like, you know, white or purity is like the best color to have in your life. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:27:35] And like, all the colors are useful, just like all the emotions are useful. And so those really strong, vibrant, bold colors that stand up and speak out, these are colors to integrate into our life and bring that vibrancy in. 

Rochana Felde [00:27:49] Yeah, it’s interesting, I was reading recently what ayurveda had to say about that as well. And there’s specific colors that are helpful for the different doshas or the three different constitutional types. But it’s not just about the color, it’s about the intensity of the color, the shade of the color. So if you are trying to cool an overheated personality type, the bright colors are too active for a person who has that active energy and you’re looking to calm it. But even some of the so-called calming colors can be overstimulating in a bright shade like you don’t want anything with those fluorescent shades, but lean more to the pastel shades. So I find it fascinating looking into the aspect of colors, after all of this time, only knowing the traditional Western color meanings and color therapy type indications. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:28:55] Oh, right. Yeah. And you know, if you find yourself working in a workspace that has a lot of really wild, bold colors, you know, you might not be surprised if everybody’s a little riled up and revved up all the time. Being surrounded by that energy of a space really impacts you a lot. 

Rochana Felde [00:29:13] Very much so, and especially for highly sensitive people or people with sensory processing sensitivity. I myself have that as well as I have a dominant Pitta Vata constitutional types. So I know it when I’ve walked into stores that have a lot of that bright red everywhere, you know. Target or CVS or some of those big box stores that really want to get your attention. And, you know, whatever the emotion is they’re trying to invoke in people to shop and buy, I can’t handle it. I mean, I just really can’t. I do not like being surrounded by that much color like that, I really, really notice it. So I can really see how that translates to how it can affect somebody who might be prone to anger or sensitivity or not being able to keep themselves at a more even keel for sure. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:30:20] And you’re so right there, when you are sensitive or intuitive or empathic, everything around you is impacting you. And it’s not that you’re too sensitive. It’s just that you’re actually paying attention and you’re aware of things. So be kind to your sensitive self and do everything you can and learn skills and tools and bring flower essences into your life to help you to manage your sensitivity. And I know this is a really important topic for you and for the client population that you work with and I really appreciate you adding those pieces in when you can. 

Rochana Felde [00:30:59] Yeah, these are all the tools I like to provide along with the flower essences, the tips and tricks of learning to survive in a world that’s not necessarily catering or even tolerant to people with sensitivity. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:31:15] No kidding. It’s an insensitive world, but it’s important to take care of your sensitivity in this sort of over-revved world where everybody’s trying to manipulate environments in ways that can change how you feel. And a lot of these things, they’re built into environments to try to trigger and push buttons, to get you to consume more, to get you to do whatever it might be. And, you know, taking care of your sensitivity is an important life skill. 

Rochana Felde [00:31:45] And then when it’s not taken care of. That is another thing that can lead up to overreaction, snapping, having emotions rule and jump out when you don’t. When you’re not necessarily meaning for them to. And I see Snapdragon as a great one for misplaced expression of anger, snapping at people, having that hostility that you’re putting back out into the world because you haven’t been taking care of or you haven’t taken care of yourself and protected yourself from that overstimulation. I like it as well for microaggressions. And a lot of that is what we direct to ourselves. We don’t like the way that we acted or handled or did something. We constantly have this narrative in our mind that, without being conscious of it, can so easily just be full of negativity to ourselves. So we’re being aggressive, maybe not to the outside world, but we’re being aggressive to ourselves. And so some of the flower essences that help with mediating that aggression. I like for the micro aggressions as well. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:33:04] I love that point because the energy can go either outward or it can go inward. Either way, it’s not productive, helpful or beneficial for anybody on the receiving end of it. I love what you say about Snapdragon being useful for that anger turned inward or that aggression turned inward. And I think of it especially when the aggression shows up in verbal. You know, if you’re snapping. You know, if you’re angry and tight jawed, and you have that sort of snappishness, and then sometimes that snappishness turns into the voice inside your head and you’re snapping at yourself. And that’s that’s the signature that I’d look for when I’m when I’m deciding whether Snapdragon is a good fit or not for any particular individual. 

Rochana Felde [00:33:53] Yeah. And I will listen to people’s language a lot, so if they are, it’s not necessarily in their head, they could be saying it out loud. I observe people a lot saying, oh, I left my keys somewhere. Stupid, stupid, stupid or, you know, whatever that is that they’re saying, they’re basically being aggressive to themselves. They’re abusing themselves. And it’s so ingrained in us to do this. Most people don’t look at it that way. So once you start gently making that awareness and pointing that out, it’s amazing to see how much we could do that in the course of the day. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:34:38] Oh, my gosh, yes. Mean, would you say that to anyone else? Exactly. And why is that OK to say to yourself, please don’t do that to yourself. Don’t. That’s not kind. Kindness has to go in all directions. And treating yourself badly it’s not a good thing. Please, we need to help you stop that. It’s not not a good thing. Not healthy for your mental health and not healthy for any other aspect of health. And the next one that I think about is Poison Oak. And Poison Oak is really great for hostility. And so that energy of keeping others away or keeping environments at bay by that hostile, pushing away, reactive energy. That’s the Poison Oak signature to my mind. And I don’t use it a ton. But there are times, like you say, when you hear those types of voices, when you hear it, whether it’s a real voice or not, but that energy of overreacting in order to create a little bit of space for yourself. That’s the Poison Oak signature, I think. 

Rochana Felde [00:35:41] Yeah. I don’t use it very often either. But if you think about what happens when you get poison oak or poison ivy, you know that red boiling, bubbling rash, angry skin. It’s anger coming right out of the skin, basically. That makes a lot of sense for its energetic use. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:36:06] Yeah, and it’s, you know, a good thing to think about that just because somebody might ask. Oh, you know, why would I take that essence? You know, that plant is toxic, right. And it’s kind of interesting to have a conversation of like.. No. The flower essence will not give you a rash by taking it because it’s extremely dilute. And it’s not something that’s going to trigger any sort of physical reaction to take the essence. And it might also be interesting for you, if you’re particularly reactive to Poison Oak, to develop an energetic relationship with that plant and find out maybe why you have such a big reaction to it or develop some sort of an awareness around what’s going on with your body or your response to any plant where it’s way outside of the norm. And also, Rhus tox is the homeopathic version of poison oak. And that’s used as an anti-inflammatory. I’ve seen it recommended for arthritis. So that’s the energy of heat that’s gone deeper into the body where it’s formed that inflammatory cascade. So all fits in. Yes, it does. Very interesting. And I’ve seen horses choose to eat poison oak. And it’s the horses who have inflammatory conditions that I’ve watched them graze off of the tops. You know, just the newer growth, intentionally selecting that particular part of the plant in the springtime, those were the horses in the herd that were older or who had inflammatory conditions. So the animals recognize what’s going to help them and help them feel better. 

Rochana Felde [00:37:53] Fascinating. It’s pretty cool stuff. That is very cool. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:37:59] So I think we’ve kind of come to a place of having covered the bases. If you are recognizing that anger is something you want to work with. I say start slowly. Take these essences very gently. Maybe don’t take them right before you’re going to go into a circumstance where you could be triggered, you know, enlist some help. Maybe tell a friend what you’re working with and that you’re looking to let some stuff go. And then that person can help watch you and make sure that you’re not taking on too much too quickly. It’s not about purging an entire lifetime of anger in one week or less, because that would probably be a lot. So go gently, take lots of supportive essences. And, you know, if it’s a really big deal, enlist professional help. The support of a therapist, and perhaps a flower essence practitioner, or somebody else who can really be helpful. A lot of times chronic anger situations have a traumatic underpinning and working with trauma is a really big deal that you want to get some help with. It’s not something you want to just decide that you’re going to fix all by yourself in a very short period of time. Get some support. 

Rochana Felde [00:39:14] Yeah, absolutely, and we didn’t even really go into some of the possible root causes. But, you know, as you know, anger is a reflection of deeper things that are happening inside. And so it’s just a process. You know, it’s peeling back the layers of that onion. It’s learning to be more conscious about what’s triggering you. And, you know, you can’t really solve for the anger until you get a better idea of not just what’s triggering you, but, you know, where is that really coming from? Why is that triggering you? There’s a lot that’s deeper in there. And it would be very helpful to work with someone to help uncover that. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:40:04] Yeah. In baby steps. Take baby steps. This is a big, big thing. So thank you so much for being part of this conversation Ro, I’ve really enjoyed talking about anger. Everyone’s favorite emotion, with you. And to just open up the conversation about anger and the qualities of it and the gift of it, really what it’s telling us, what anger is sharing with us. So thank you all for joining us. We really appreciate you being part of our Flower Essence family. And we welcome conversation. We welcome hearing what your thoughts are on this. So feel free to respond on the social media channels and and or get in touch through contact forms or whatnot. We’d really like to hear what you have to say and have some feedback. And if you know somebody who needs help on this topic now, you know how to share with them. You can help them learn a little bit more about it. Share the podcast with them. And we really appreciate you sharing the podcast in general, because that’s how this information gets out there and how more people get helped with these beautiful gifts of the flowers. 

Rochana Felde [00:41:19] Beautiful. Thanks, Kathleen. Thanks until next time. Bye bye, everyone. 

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