FEP19 Pandemic Stress

Flower Essence Practitioners Kathleen and Rochana talk about the stress of the pandemic and how to use flower essences and a variety of wellness tools to steady your nervous system, calm anxiety and worry, and get grounded in your body. Managing your stress will help your immune system work better, and help you feel better as we all work our way through this time of great challenge.

Flower Essences and Resources Discussed

Key

  • AK: Alaskan Essences
  • FES: Flower Essence Services

Previous Podcasts

Acute Stress / Emergency Rescue Essences

  • Soul Support (AK) – contains Cattail Pollen, Chalice Well, Cotton Grass, Fireweed, Labrador Tea, Malachite, River Beauty, Ruby, White Fireweed
  • Rescue Remedy (Bach) or Five Flower (FES) – contains Clematis, Cherry Plum, Impatiens, Rock Rose, and Star of Bethlehem

Root Chakra / Grounding Essences

  • Bloodstone (AK) – unstick lower chakras and brings up nourishing earth energy
  • Ruby (AK) – for survival issues and times of intense transformation, helps cultivate life force energy
  • Smoky Quartz (AK) – grounding, stabilizing, clearing – helps when feeling out of synch
  • trees of all kinds

Nervous System / Stress Response Essences

  • Lavender (FES) – depleted by physical stress and tension, nervousness, restlessness
  • Albizia / Mimosa / Silk Tree – overstimulated nervous system, helps process negative emotions. Picture
  • California Valerian – helps to calm nervous system, be in the moment and be in the body
  • Flora-Sleep (FES) – contains CA Valerian, Chamomile, White Chestnut, Red Chestnut, Olive, Aloe Vera, Alpine Aster, St John’s Wort
  • Linden (Woodland Essence) – calms emotional turmoil and high anxiety
  • Harlequin Glorybower (Flora of Asia) – developing a sense of trust to initiate and maintain the relaxation response

Fear / Paranoia Essences

  • Fearless (FES) – contains Red Clover, Mountain Pride, CA Valerian, Oregon Grape, Mimulus, Rock Rose, Green Rose

Courage / Resilience Essences

  • Borage – strength to confront emotionally taxing situations
  • Blackberry (FES) – strength and perseverance, meet challenges
  • Scotch Broom – for sense of world doom, helps one accept circumstances and grow
  • Olive (FES) – exhaustion from challenges and prolonged stress, esp. as relates to health

Support / Faith / Hope Essences

  • Calling all Angels (AK) – contains Angelica, Chalice Well, Chiming Bells, Kunzite
  • Angelica (AK) – Helps to feel connected to spirit, guided and watched over, great in times of crisis

RESOURCES

Root Chakra

  • Muladhara (means root support); located at the base of the spine.
  • Issues: Survival, grounding, trust, health, nourishment, home, family, boundaries, safety. “Feeling safe and secure, sense of trust in the world, ability to relax and be still, good health, the right to exist.” (Judith, 1996)
  • Ways to work with: Physical activity, exercise, get outside for nature walks if you can, get out of the head and into the body, body oiling, self-massage, foot rubs, foot rollers, grounding foods (protein)
  • Affirmations
    • It is safe for me to be here” (Judith, 1996)
    • “I love my body and trust its wisdom” (Judith, 1996)
    • The earth supports me and meets my needs.” (Judith, 1996)
  • Judith, Anodea (1996). Eastern Body, Western Mind – Psychology and the Chakra System as a Path to the Self: Celestial Arts

Flower Essences

Vagus Nerve

Highly Sensitive (HSP)

Tapping

Show Transcript

Rochana Felde [00:00:43] Hello, friends, and thanks for listening to the Flower Essence podcast today, Kathleen and I are going to talk about flower essences that may be helpful to combat the stress of what’s happening in the world right now, something that’s on everybody’s mind. Of course, the pandemic threat of the COVID-19, or the Coronavirus, and how that’s affecting the whole world, basically. And a lot of us are having different reactions, different emotions coming up, different fears, and ways that our body and minds are responding to the stress, and the concern over what may happen to people. So we’ll go through some of the essences that are helpful with these emotional states, and getting us back to ourselves, to a grounded center, things that can bring us out of that acute stress situation, of worrying. Helping us to ground, and giving us courage to get through this crisis and this very challenging time. We’ve covered some of these subjects in previous podcasts and we’ll link to the pertinent ones in the show notes. Dealing with our stress can help boost our immune system, and we do know that. But otherwise, it’s more of an indirect effect. We are just talking about the energetic and emotional support that these techniques and these essences bring to nourish our body mind connection. And also since both Kathleen and I, we have more members of our household home than normal right now when we record this podcast from our respective individual homes. And there may be more noise in the background, just to be aware of that. Times have changed and now there are more people in the house, along with the normal animal noises that we’re used to hearing coming from Kathleen’s sweet singing birds. So, Kathleen. Boy, you know, we’re here just having our second state of emergency. Within the last, you know, five months, we had the Northern California fires here in Sonoma County. And at that time we had to evacuate and we couldn’t be in our houses. And now we are going into a potential shelter in place in the Bay Area. Actually, it’s been mandated for most of the Bay Area. And our region has a lot of people also volunteering to work from home and businesses are shutting down that are nonessential. So this is really sort of an opposite thing. We’re now in our homes, but we have this stress that isn’t a raging fire coming at us, something we can see. We’re dealing with something that we can’t see. And so there’s a whole different component to it. But yeah, once again, we are in a crisis scenario. So where do we go from here? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:04:07] Being in the middle of another crisis, and experiencing the stress, and experiencing the uncertainty of it all right now, and that’s, I think, what the biggest thing is. You know, both of us live in the North Bay area of California. And as probably a lot of our listeners also are in the United States, we’re certainly watching what’s going on overseas. And, we are in the middle of something that’s a worldwide crisis. And I think that that’s also a useful thing for us to remember, that we’re not being singled out, that the whole world is going through something very, very similar. And to be recognizing how we are all one together in this concern, and in order to take care of our vulnerable and our elderly, we’re having to make a lot of sacrifices. And it’s really uncertain and really frightening. I’m having a lot of conversations right now with clients and friends on what we can do to help ourselves endure this difficult time, to go through it with as much grace and resilience as we can possibly manage. And I just think the more that we can take good care of ourselves and help keep our mental and emotional state stable, the better off we are going to be. And certainly, you were mentioning Ro, the element of our immune system, directly attached to our emotional state and the calmer we are, and the more we manage our stress, the better off our body will be at working with what’s out there, and taking care of our own bodies is valuable. And taking care of our minds and our spirits is really also valuable right now. So just throwing that in there, neither one of us are medical professionals. And so we’re only able to speak to something that’s also really important, the emotional self, the soul, the spirit, and what we can do to support that. So one of the things that I’ve been having a lot of conversations with friends and clients about are different types of rescue formulas to help us stay stable and calm during the crisis all around us. Use whatever you have on hand. Please start using that. Something like Rescue Remedy is incredibly useful. And we’re going to put a lot of notes in the show notes about different resources that we’re going to be referring to. We’ll have a lot more individual essences that are available, but I don’t want to overwhelm you with all the different essences. There are some great formulas out there. Rescue Remedy is probably the easiest to find. I’m recommending a lot of Soul Support from the Alaskan Essences right now. And then also be thinking that all of these experiences and these fears, they’re triggering traumatic history. So everybody is having a different response to this, and to try to be compassionate to the ones that are around you and be compassionate to yourself. Because like you mentioned earlier, Ro, the aspect about how in the North Bay, it’s our second go around within the year of crisis and uncertainty and fear. And it’s bringing up a lot of the same stuff. So those other episodes that we’ve talked about, these things will give some insights for those as well. I’ve been watching and following Lissa Rankin a lot lately on Facebook. She’s a physician and she’s written a book called Mind Over Medicine. She has written a number of books. But I really appreciate her perspective on the mind body interaction and on the limits of Western medicine, and the benefits of medicine. And I have a quote here that I want to read. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:08:11] And she says, “I’m noticing that a lot of people are feeling painful emotions about all the change caused by Coronavirus and others are not doing a great job offering genuinely empathic responses to their distress. Many are feeling fear, sadness, anger, grief and other uncomfortable emotions. And it can be hard to feel those emotions if others are trying to make you bypass your emotions. Yes, there is a silver lining to this viral outbreak and we will get there as part of our own journey. But first, we have to rumble with the feelings that come up. We can’t skip that part where it actually makes us more vulnerable to disease. Feeling our feelings is good medicine and we need others to help us feel safe to feel them.” What she says is just so profound. Being there for your loved ones is really valuable. 

Rochana Felde [00:09:08] I really, really like that. The “feeling your feelings is good medicine” is beautiful. I really resonate with that. Thank you. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:09:23] Yeah, it’s really important because it is something that we try to get past. There are times when you don’t have the space to have all the feels because you are in the middle of a crisis where you have to handle things and do things and engage with things. And, you know, when we were in the evacuation, yes, stuff had to go in bags. And, yes, the animals had to get looped up. But the interesting part about this one is that we’re home. You know, we’re kind of stuck where we are right now and we’re just kind of in a waiting phase. And so it’s giving us a lot of opportunity to sit with our very uncomfortable emotions and the emotions of our family members as well. So, you know, give yourself some space on that. Do kind things for yourself as well. 

Rochana Felde [00:10:14] Absolutely. Yeah. It’s an interesting time, I think it’s a real opportunity actually for doing this work, really the soul work. I mean, you kind of.. Either you go into denial, or you do the work. Those are the options. Those are the options. And you know it.. No judgment. It can go back and forth actually from minute to minute. And that’s totally normal. What comes to my mind is the root chakra. I mean, we’re dealing with survival, straight up, pure and simple. The root chakra is about survival issues. And it’s. It’s called the Muladhara chakra, meaning root support. And it’s located at the base of your spine. The color is red. And it also deals with grounding. Trust, your health, nourishment, how you nourish your body, your home, your family, boundaries and safety and just honestly, the right to exist. And boy, oh, boy, you know, as humans, now, this is coming up. Do we have a right to exist on this planet? And working with the root chakra helps us affirm that, and have strength in that, that we do have the right to exist and that we are here. It helps when we work with balancing and grounding. It can help us feel more safe and secure. And, you know, give us more of a sense of trust in the world, which is very challenging. I mean, that’s the biggest challenge right now, trusting our fellow humans and people that aren’t in our small circles. People that are in our small circles, you know, we’re looking at a hidden enemy. We don’t know where it is. So the root chakra helps us to relax and be still, giving us that ability, which we really absolutely need, to cultivate good health. So, ways to work with it and ways to know that it’s out of balance. I’ll just say, when you’re spinning in your head and you can’t stay focused, can’t keep your thoughts straight. Circular thoughts are happening. You’re also angry and snapping and that kind of thing. All of the ways that we act out, and are living in our head, and not in our body. So ways to work with that, and help balance the root chakra are to get out of your head and into your body. And that means anything physical, you know, any kind of exercise is going to be helpful. I mean, whether it’s yoga or going out and punching a gym bag, it doesn’t matter. They’re all going to help get back into the body. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:13:49] I think movement of all kinds is really indicated right now to the degree you can do it depending on your circumstances. 

Rochana Felde [00:13:56] Yeah. Taking a walk, especially if you have access to nature and can take it a nature walk. But any kind of walk. Of course we are all being told to definitely stay six feet away from other humans if we do go out. Other ways that we can get into our body are self massage and body oiling, and that would be infused oils or lipid oils like any kind of massage oil. And that really helps stabilize the nervous system in so many ways. And then, plus the fact that if you’re touching your body, you’re feeling your body. So it gets you into your body. Foot rubs and foot rollers. I keep a foot roller under my desk and I’m constantly rolling on it. And that helps me stay grounded right here, right now, while I’m doing the podcast. I’m rolling my feet on a foot roller. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:14:59] It’s a good practice, isn’t it, just to remember where your feet are, just to have that moment of checking in like, oh, my feet. They’re right there. 

Rochana Felde [00:15:07] They’re right here under and underneath me. Yep. Yep. They’re connected just to the ground. Exactly. And then grounding foods such as proteins are also helpful from the Ayurvedic standpoint. So those are some of the ways that you can get into the root chakra. And, you know, even some affirmations can be helpful. And I have a few just from the book Eastern Body, Western Mind by Anodea Judith. “it is safe for me to be here” if that’s something you want to say as a little mantra in your mind. You know, affirmations aren’t just wishful thinking. They also can help just focus your thoughts so that you’re not thinking about other things that are negative and they’re putting an intention out into the universe as well. “I love my body and trust its wisdom.” That’s another really good one to do, because with things that are hidden illnesses and diseases in general, it’s really hard to trust the body sometimes. And this is something that people who’ve been dealing with chronic disease for a long time already know in a very profound way. So remembering that we love our body, and that we can trust it, is going to help us not to have that distrust with our body. And also “the earth supports me and meets my needs”. So when we’re dealing with stores running out of supplies and this panic and fear that make people go out and overbuy certain items, you know, it’s interesting how it pushes us. It gets us into that panic state, even if we don’t need extra toilet paper when we see it all gone on the shelves, it causes an immediate visceral reaction like, oh, my God, I’m not going to have enough. I’m not going to have what I need. So an affirmation to kind of counteract that might be helpful as well. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:17:11] And if there was ever a more symbolic connection between root chakra and toilet paper, I’m not sure there is one. I mean, it’s a really basic connection. And when people are feeling unsafe, they do things that make their root chakra feel a little more safe. And so there you go. That’s what’s gonna happen. 

Rochana Felde [00:17:33] You know what, Kathleen? I didn’t even make that connection. That is hilarious. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:17:38] And, you know, sad. But, yes, it’s like, OK, we’re doing things out of a reactive state, not out of a thinking state and recognizing that everybody is feeling it. And finding compassion for ourselves when we do odd things, too, and finding compassion for the people around us as they do odd things, will help all of us come from a better place as we navigate this. It’s crazy times and the kinder we can be to ourselves and to others, the better the world will be. I know that you think about the root chakra, some essences that are coming to me are from gemstones. I mean, I’ve definitely been relying on my  pocket rocks. I have a little collection of rocks that I can carry around with me. But also the gem essences of those stones are really beneficial for helping your root chakra. Which ones do you like the most? 

Rochana Felde [00:18:32] Yeah. The Smoky Quartz is really nice when you’re feeling out of sync. Bloodstone is always a great one to just sort of unstick things in the lower chakras and get that nourishing earth energy. Ruby is another gem essence that is indicated specifically for survival issues and times of intense transformation. So I think that’s perfectly indicated here. But yeah, I think just holding a rock. Any kind of rock. Just pick one up off the ground. It doesn’t matter. It is helpful for that feeling connected with Earth, and staying grounded and just.. It’s like when you have it in your pocket you have a constant reminder and something to do with that nervous energy. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:19:22] Right. And, you know, reconnecting with your feet, you know, rolling your feet around on the floor and feeling the floor, feeling what’s underneath your feet as you walk and then also giving your hands something to do. They want to have some sort of movement so those two things are really valuable as well. You know, going out and about just a little bit yesterday to bring some groceries in.. I think that the essence that we need the most right now is Red Clover. And Red Clover is an essence that helps with mass hysteria, because you go outside right now and you do what has to be done. You know, you need groceries or you need medicines or whatever, you’re going to be around a lot of fear. And, you know, if you bring it into your house with a lot of television and media, then your house is getting a lot of fear. And Red Clover is so helpful to detach from that group fear that’s floating around, that free-floating distress that’s not really necessary. You know, do the things you gotta do and be as safe as you can. But having that kind of thrilling panic going on in your body is not going to be beneficial for your nervous system and your immune system. So Red Clover is a really good friend for you in this circumstance. And I know it’s a component of a wonderful combination formula from the Flower Essence Society called Fearless. And that’s one to think about. It might be something that’s a little bit easier to find in your herb shop, or the market, or always online now. So useful. Fearless is one that I’m really recommending a lot for people to help them ground into themselves and not spiral out into paranoia. Now, the population you work with is the highly sensitives. You know, I can only imagine how they’re feeling right now because at the market I was feeling social anxiety. It’s like, oh, she’s not six feet away from me and the anxiety starts to get into you. And I’m just thinking, if that’s an ongoing problem for you, you know, how much more support are you going to be needing? What are you recommending for your client population? 

Rochana Felde [00:21:43] Yeah, for the highly sensitive I mean, it really always goes to the nervous system support and the stress response. And yeah, I had that same experience at the market with someone coming up really, really close to me and it made me very uncomfortable. And that had nothing to do with what’s going on. I would normally feel that. I want my boundaries, you know. So, you know, it’s OK to be strong and to say, hey, you know, step away, would you. But when you are out there, you are then coming home and feeling the aftermath of the stress of whatever you’re doing. The flower essences that help calm and soothe the nervous system are excellent. Also doing exercises that help improve the vagus nerve. The poly vagal tone, as it were. Now, we mentioned this on a previous podcast and I’m not going to go too much into it today, but I will put a lot of links and resources on the page for the podcast. There is a basic exercise, called Stimulating the Vagus Nerve and it’s outlined in the book called Accessing the Healing Power of the Vagus Nerve by Stanley Rosenberg. And there’s a few videos on YouTube that show you how to do it. It’s very simple and it just involves putting your hands on the back of your head, usually laying down and keeping your eyes open and then turning your eyes to one side or the other left and holding them there, while your eyes are open, until it creates a yawn or a sigh or some kind of response, that means your body just clicked down into a more relaxed state. And when you do one side, you do the other. And I really highly recommend it. I just learned about it right before the fire emergency that we had last fall. And it helped me get to sleep at night every night while we were evacuated, and staying in somebody else’s house. It helped just to slow down. The vagus nerve deals with your flight fight and freeze responses. And it helps to mediate between that. You know, you’re always going from one of those responses to another and then to rest and relaxation. So some of these exercises help to go to the relaxation part. And there’s all the breathing exercises. There’s some specific ones. But really anything where you’re doing deep breathing, belly breathing, alternate nostril breathing, they all help with what they call the vagal tone. So, yeah, other than the vagus nerve exercises, there’s also flower essences.  Kathleen, I know you have a lot that you use for this category. And so do I. Why don’t you tell me what are some that you like? 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:25:29] Yeah, I like the coaching that you’re offering on accessing the relaxation responses, because I don’t think that you can do anything in a vacuum. And learning basic life skills like how to relax and how to find that restorative response in your body – it is an essential part of living in your body, because a lot of us didn’t really learn that. You know, any essence is really helpful because it does help you access that, and help you connect to yourself even more. Some of the essences that make a lot of sense are essences that help you drop into rest or into sleep. So the essence of Flora-sleep from the Flower Essence Society is one that will help you connect into that rest and relax state. I also use Harlequin Glorybower a lot to connect in that trust, that the space is safe. And that’s one of the things that a lot of times when we have a lifetime of not feeling safe in our bodies, we don’t know how to turn down that constant alarm. That’s like danger, danger, danger, danger all the time. And having some Rock Rose. It’s a classic. It’s a really great essence for helping you to feel safe and to start feeling more relaxation. So there’s so many.. I know that you use Lavender a lot. 

Rochana Felde [00:27:08] Yeah, lavender is excellent for that kind of physical stress and tension, or when you’re feeling depleted by that. Albizia is one that I just love. And unfortunately, I’m not really sure where to get it at this point. I don’t know if you know of a resource. I have one that I made in a flower essence class. I use it for my clients, but it would be nice to find a good resource for Albizia because I do recommend it and I use it all the time. It’s great for that overstimulated, nervous system and helping to process through negative emotions. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:27:52] I think that also, you know, we were talking about essences and we’re talking about, you know, some that are available or not available. And I recognize that wherever you might be, dear listener, you know what, in whatever state or whatever situation you are, if you don’t have the ability to access a flower essence, to recognize that the energetic is accessible to you in other ways as well, by even pulling up an image online, or going to one of the flower essence companies websites and gazing upon the flowers. That can help you connect to the spirit of the flower. And you can get a lot of good medicine just by focusing your mind on that. If you can find the flower in any form, you know, if it’s an herb that you might have, holding that in your hand, having that as a spirit bundle plant. You know, there’s lots of options that aren’t necessarily all about needing to go out and purchase this, that or the other thing. But these are some ways that, you know, as as practitioners, obviously, we have these great storehouses of essences that we can blend for our clients, but we really want to recognize that not everybody’s in the same place. And to also just realize that the healing of nature is available to you in almost every circumstance and to get creative with that as well. So I wanted to throw that in while we were talking about some of these essences. 

Rochana Felde [00:29:19] Thank you so much for that, Kathleen. That is so true. And I’m really glad that you brought that up. Albizia here is also called mimosa sometimes and it’s very common in landscaping. So it might be something that’s near you. It hasn’t started blooming yet and it won’t until the middle of summer in the northern hemisphere. But it is very common and it’s got beautiful soft pink flowers that you’ll be able to find plenty of images to look at online. And just looking at it is going to give you the medicine. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:29:56] Exactly. Yeah. The way we touched in on that aspect of sort of the paranoia that’s going on, I think that it’s worthwhile to to bring out the Scotch broom at this point, because Scotch broom is an essence that helps with that kind of catastrophic thinking of, you know, the world is is terrible and never going to get better. And, you know, from one perspective, that makes some sense right now. Things are pretty dire. But, you know, here we are right in this moment and here we are in relationship with nature. And here we are in a relationship with our own bodies and our own hearts. And coming back into the moment is really valuable rather than following that train of thought that can spiral all so disastrously. Quite frankly, it’s not going to help your system at all to work through that. So interrupting that..Scotch Broom is a really good interrupter of that cycle where everything’s horrible. 

Rochana Felde [00:31:02] Yeah, and I think it helps with the ability to accept the circumstances and grow with them. And there’s a few other essences that are really helpful in that department too, for just giving us courage and helping us with resilience. Borage, of course, we’ve talked about that one so many times for different things and that strength to confront these emotionally taxing situations is where Borage really shines. I think Blackberry as well, another one that can help with strength and perseverance to meet challenges. That’s what we’ve got here. This sort of challenge that we’re all facing. And in the various ways that it’s happening around the world. I want to talk about how we are a global village. And, you know, we are all one. And so we’re all going through it together, and we’re here for each other. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:32:26] I couldn’t agree more. Experiences like this really do break down these artificial boundaries of nation and country and the concept that they’re separate from us. Turns out we’re all citizens of the earth and we are all experiencing this together. And to recognize that interconnection and interdependence with each other is a valuable thing for us as a species to experience, and just to send love out to all of our brothers and sisters who are going through this right now and to send the peace that we can experience. And to check in with the people that you’re in connection with, so that they feel like somebody is thinking about them. I think that it’s really important right now, as we are physically isolated, to try to avoid being emotionally and spiritually isolated. So in whatever way that is for you to reach out to people, to reach out to loved ones, to reach out to Facebook friends, to be a light in a difficult time and to help support all of us as we go through this. I don’t think that there’s a better essence than Angelica to help us connect to that higher sense of who we are. You know that we are more than our bodies, that we are more than this experience right now of great density and great fear and great uncertainty. But to be able to access a certain level of the angelic realm, I think would be a useful essence. So a lot of us have that essence around and I hope you do, too. And if you don’t, you might be able to access the herb, or even just to have a picture of that flower on your desktop. It would be a really good way to recognize that interconnectedness and that sort of trans-connectedness that we’re all in this together. 

Rochana Felde [00:34:35] And it’s also in the calling All Angels Formula by Alaskan Essences, which is just one of my favorites. And it comes in a spray with a beautiful scent as well. But, you know, Angelica is definitely one of my greatest plant allies. I love the energy of that. And it helps so much with that feeling of connecting that you’re talking about – with each other, with our higher selves, with the spiritual realm, and getting that feeling of being cared for, and guided, and watched over. It’s so important to have something to hold on to that’s greater than ourselves, I think. And whether that looks like faith or whatever spiritual traditions you might follow. Now’s the time to lean on that faith and that connection. 

Kathleen Aspenns [00:35:42] I’m completely in agreement. So we want to just wish all of you to take good care of yourselves and to take good care of your loved ones and to find as much peace as you can. Remember to reconnect to nature every chance you get, to help reconnect to your body so that your body can be working at at optimum, whatever that is for your body. And we will put a lot of resources in the show notes here, because we have a lot of people that we’re watching and following and getting good advice from. And there’s a lot of resources that you can access through your Internet. You can watch this beautiful video of Scotch Broom that our teacher and mentor, Ruth Toledo Altschuler created. There are resources on video for learning to work with your vagal response. I’m not sure if that’s the right way to say it, but to work with that system in your body. And then a lot of other resources so that you’re able to access what you need. So we really hope that you all stay safe, that you share this message in whatever way you can with your friends and your family members. And we just want to bring you some hope and to hang in there, because we will get through this and sending lots of love to you all. 

Rochana Felde [00:37:00] Lots of love, yeah. Goodbye. 

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